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this discussion still happening???
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this discussion still happening??? Doh! obviously. Next rhetorical question please.
Carpe diem.
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yeah cause people actually do care about this man and the sentence he received x
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yeah cause people actually do care about this man and the sentence he received x i appreciate that, but what's done is done, i think he was guilty as charged, others don't. but a court of law found him guilty of manslaughter. definition: The unjustifiable, inexcusable, and intentional killing of a human being without deliberation, premeditation, and malice. The unlawful killing of a human being without any deliberation, which may be involuntary, in the commission of a lawful act without due caution and circumspection. NOT murder definition: The unlawful killing of another human being without justification or excuse. so put that way, he was guilty of manslaughter, his actions, whether deliberate or not, caused the death of another human being, granted other factors were involved (underage drinking and reported illegal substance misuse) but his job is to protect both the public and the train from harm. he failed in his job, therefore he is accountable for his actions.
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well i guess we all have our own opinions but mine and urs differ x
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This man played a part in this young girls death, ok she had been drinking, but come on are you going to say you never had a drink at this age.
If I had of been the guard on duty this night, I would of though different, I would of done my best to get this girl on the train, with it being the last train, and if she never got on train she would be stranded in Liverpool, and with all the weirdos out there, its no place for a young girl on her own at that time of night. So I would of done my best to get her on the train. Because of this mans actions that night, this girl lost her life, and she will never get to continue with her schooling and become what she wanted to be.
She was still a baby, doing things all teenagers do.
And because this man made a mistake, her family will never get the chance to see her grow up pass her exams, and maybe become a mother.
It really does not matter what part he played in her losing her life, the thing is he played a part, now he must except the punishment he has been given.
I know people will no doubt disagree, but it has been said allready, we all have our opinions, and its good that all opinions can be heard without it turning in to a slanging match.
Its not a nice thing for the girls family to have to go through, and its not a nice thing for the guard togo through, he now has to live with what he has done for the rest of his life, and that will not be an easy thing to do.
And I wish both of the families all the best for the future.
No one can give the guard a bigger sentence than he has given himself, he played a part in a young girls death, and he has to life with that.
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Its all well and good saying "if" I was the guard on duty I would have done things differently unless u are in that situation you cant say that, this accident happened in a split second and he did open the doors twice for her to get on she chose not too and since when is it a guards job to babysit?! lets face it her "Friends" should have took better care of her that night the "Adult" who's party she was at should have took better care of her that night and not supplied her with drink and drugs, so why was he the only one in the dock?? but hey we all have our own opinions. x
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It's all very well saying about being responsible for your actions. Chris McGee made one mistake in his actions. He didn't close his door when she was away from the train. If he had, he would have been exonerated of any blame. How many mistakes did this young girl, her friends, the responsible adults and other station staff make? They should all be hanging their heads in shame as well as hanging Chris out to dry.
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Actually he did close the door when she was away from the train read the R.A.I.B report this was with held from the trail and it would have exonerated him x
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This man played a part in this young girls death, ok she had been drinking, but come on are you going to say you never had a drink at this age.
If I had of been the guard on duty this night, I would of though different, I would of done my best to get this girl on the train, with it being the last train, and if she never got on train she would be stranded in Liverpool, and with all the weirdos out there, its no place for a young girl on her own at that time of night. So I would of done my best to get her on the train. Because of this mans actions that night, this girl lost her life, and she will never get to continue with her schooling and become what she wanted to be.
She was still a baby, doing things all teenagers do.
And because this man made a mistake, her family will never get the chance to see her grow up pass her exams, and maybe become a mother.
It really does not matter what part he played in her losing her life, the thing is he played a part, now he must except the punishment he has been given.
I know people will no doubt disagree, but it has been said allready, we all have our opinions, and its good that all opinions can be heard without it turning in to a slanging match.
Its not a nice thing for the girls family to have to go through, and its not a nice thing for the guard togo through, he now has to live with what he has done for the rest of his life, and that will not be an easy thing to do.
And I wish both of the families all the best for the future.
No one can give the guard a bigger sentence than he has given himself, he played a part in a young girls death, and he has to life with that. sums it up.
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Sums what up? What you think? That doesn't make it fact.
Its obvious that this matter will be polarised, but the guard should not shoulder all the blame.
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Sums what up? What you think? That doesn't make it fact.
Its obvious that this matter will be polarised, but the guard should not shoulder all the blame. accepted he shouldn't, the other station/security staff have to shoulder some blame, as do the girl's friends, however it was HIS decision and timing which led to this unfortunate incident that's got a 15-page debate going... there's always (at least) 2 sides to every story, but common sense has to tell you that out the 2 protagonists in this scenario, one had no capacity to make any major decisions (young drunk girl) while another had the capacity to know what was happening, know that said scenario had 'death' as a possible outcome, and act upon it (train guard) but for one reason or another, chose not to, and as such somebody has ended up dead. i accept other people have a different view, but that's how i see it.
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Actually its not as black and white as you seem to think it is please go and read the raib report x
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