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Originally Posted by fish5133
Is there a legal definition for "bedroom" in the proposed tax. Is a small box room classed as a bedroom. Is a room without a bed in it a bedroom? Apparently the Govt gave some recommendations years ago for asylum seekers stating a minimum size of room that would be classed as bedroom. Doesnt seem to be that well defined.
What surprises me is the lack of protest unlike the poll tax--have the councils managed to dumb down all their tenants.

can the bedroom tax apply to Wirral Partnership Homes--are they not a private landlord or even a separate entity to the Council?

http://speye.wordpress.com/2012/08/23/what-is-a-bedroom-and-why-landlords-dont-want-it-defined/
No legal defination of what is a bedroom, its down to the Housing Ass. to define.
One 'horror case' I read-a couple in private housing -one partner could no longer make it up the stairs so he sleeps in the front room now. So what does the landlord do? He upgrades the property to a 3 bed.

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What about this?

A 34 year old female who served in the Forces: she was injured In Action and recognised as Registered Blind.

She was housed in a two bedroom house but due to B.T she cannot afford to pay the 19% shortfall in rent and so her H.A have offered her a one bed flat

-25 miles away from family/ friends/ support
-on the 3rd floor

Now, she cannot have the Guide Dog that she has been asessed as needing as the Blind Ass. will put not one of their dogs in a flat.

Now, as this HEROINNE will not recieve a Guide Dog, she is considered 'fit for work'

fooking disgusting!!!

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That example about the blind lady has to be an administrative problem. Someone not following the rules properly. Surely, she is not obliged to take that property if it's not suitable or in a suitable location.
Where does the lady live?

Is there a general shortage of social housing in Wirral at the moment, does anyone know?




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Not an admin problem-no. Dorset, iirc

You want facts, Granny? I am your woman!! lol
I can chuck them at you, left right and centre..

The latest figures suggest that Wirral Borough Council and Housing Associations have 0.7%
available 1 beds for people to downsize too.

Off which, the available 1 beds -only over 55s or over 60s can apply.


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It does seem to me that anybody offering a crumb of comfort or an alternative opinion on this thread is ridiculed or shouted down;e.g. my earlier post suggesting to Wheels.This suggested that he would not be adversely affected and was queried in a hostile manner with no response to my query as to whether I was misunderstanding the situation.

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Eh? I have met Wheels-lovely lad, lovely family but I would not comment on an individuals private circumstances, on a public forum.
Not that I'm an expert in these matters, anyhow

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I am not commenting on an individual's personal circumstance at all.Wheels said he would face a 25% increase even though it was his own home .I suggested that he would not be impacted at all and enclosed a link.My response was queried by another member in what I considered quite an aggressive manner.

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That example about the blind lady has to be an administrative problem. Someone not following the rules properly. Surely, she is not obliged to take that property if it's not suitable or in a suitable location.
Where does the lady live?




She is not obliged BUT she cannot afford to pay the B.T, this is the property her council have offered her and so she is 'stuck'.

Does she:

a. remain in her home with her social network, guidedog and choose between eating, heating or rent shortfall

OR

b. move 25 miles away from social networks, in a 1 bed box on the 3rd floor, with no Guidedog (that the Blind Association have agreed that she NEEDS).

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Disability premium
You must be under the qualifying age for pension credit and one of the following applies to you or your partner:
are registered as blind, or taken off that register in the past 28 weeks
are getting one of the following qualifying benefits - attendance allowance, disability living allowance (DLA), long-term incapacity benefit (IB), severe disablement allowance (SDA), the disability element or severe disability element of working tax credit, war pensioner's mobility supplement, constant attendance allowance
you are the claimant and you have been incapable of work or entitled to statutory sick pay during the qualifying period of 52 weeks (or 28 weeks if you are terminally ill) and still be incapable of work.

If you have a partner you will be paid the couple rate of this premium.

You cannot get this premium if you are getting employment and support allowance or have a limited capability for work ( You will get an additional allowance based on your employment and support allowance claim instead: see 5.2 above).

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I've heard some councils have a fund to help pay the shortfall
Also some HA are considering offering a "do some work to make up your rent shortfall" scheme..in line with goverment policy .."something for something"
also some councils/HA's are offering large compo for you to move!

Anything like that in the pipeline here?

Its all part of the big plan to drive people into work and learn you are no longer getting "everything for nothing"


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Not that I'm aware of Taylor4898! Heard of this re. other Councils-not ours!

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I can't help feeling that this whole BT invention, is part of a much larger undisclosed issue, with a hidden agenda.

At the end of this year we have Bulgaria and Romania being granted admission to the European Union. Nobody knows how many are likely to swamp our shores, and even Eric Pickles is concerned at the possible volume of people arriving and where they are going to be placed. We all should be!
I somehow feel that this BT senario is to be put in place, prior to Dec 2013 so that each council will then have the available figures for how many properties and how many bedroom spaces they have. The councils will no doubt get back-handers in some way, for providing.
Now I'm quite prepared for anyone to come back and hit me in the jaw with this, both fists if necessary, but think about it first. Does it make sense or doesn't it?
Both hands will go up if I'm wrong!

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You could well be right Granny. No doubt that Bulgarians and Romanians are looking forward to joining us in our overcrowded island.

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Salmon, I should think they are rubbing their hands with glee!!
Whispering the next bit so not many can hear ..( Just hope we don't end up the same as in Rome, which is full of Romanian pick pockets) shhhh.......

http://www.economist.com/blogs/easternapproaches/2012/09/romanias-roma


Off topic, but all things tend to relate in the end.

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