The pre-war maps show buildings along both sides of vine street (as it was in 1913 also), the post-war map shows only numbers 5 to 33 which were the SW quartile of the road.
I've got no records of Vine Street being bombed but Livingstone Street had more than its fair share of bombs and incendiary devices.
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Hi My great-grandfather used to live at 44 Vine Street from about 1895, where my grandmother and her 3 sisters were born in the early 1900s. Later (about 1912) they moved to 50 Vine Street, were my mother was born. My great-grandfather died in 1935 and the family moved out of Vine Street to Bidston. I don’t know when Vine Street was demolished but I suspect it was in the slum clearance in the late 50s, early 60s. I do have the census forms from 1901 and 1911 for Vine Street (houses around 44 and 50) if they will help. I have not been able to find any old photos of the area but my great-grandfather used to drink in the “Old English” pub on the corner of Livingstone Street (I think there is an old photo on this site)
I used to knock around in Viney when I was a kid. The top end was bombed, up at the Livingstone St end, and a couple of houses at the bottom by Vittoria Street as well. My Gran lived there as a kid, which I didn't know about until recently. Had an aunt who lived there until it got demolished as well. Remember lots of the families that lived there. They mostly got moved to the North End, up near the River Streets area. I still nip into the Piggy for a pint in case any of the old crowd turn up, no joy yet. I used to drink in the "Old English Gentleman", or the "Gents" my self when I was home on leave. There, the Shamrock, the North Star, the Myrtle, Never fussed on the Atlantic for some reason. It was a good area to live though, if a bit rough. I lived on the corner of Vittoria and Cleveland by the Falcon Laundry.
Just noticed the second map Manx, it shows where the bombed houses made a difference, forgot about the ones on the right hand side also being flattened. It was a rough field all the way up there, towards Marchbanks woodyard which was on Livvy. Your folks and mine would have known each other, amazing coincidence.
My ancestors the Ferguson's moved from Scotland in the early 1900's and settled in Vine Street Birkenhead. The 1911 Census places them at 47 then 40 then 38 in 1921.
Looks like it was bombed afterall at the end of the road my ancestors lived in. I know they did all move onto Beckwith street and then the Towers in Vicky Park.
Your memories are very interesting, now I know were my great grandad may have drank.
Yes the Fergies were at three house in Vine Street back then.
Yep cheers Derek, my great grandad was John Samuels living at 45, the Stotts from 65 ended up in Vittoria Street, probably old Jimmy's lad but it could well have been the one mentioned on the list as he was old. There's other names I recognise from the town as well so it's a good list. Thomas Samuels, who would have been my Nan's brother got killed in WWI and I have his "Death Medal", which I found in the market.
The Robert Kendal at no. 69 was my husband's gt. uncle. He was there on the 1911 Census with his wife Isabella and their four girls Annie, Isabella, Marie and Eveline. Robert's brother Joseph was also living there and both were shipyard workers.
Robert completed the census himself, confirming there to be four rooms at the property - "scullery, landing, lobby, closet, bathroom" were not to be classed as a room. From my (now dim) knowledge of the area I think it was a typical two up, two down. I very much doubt there would have been a bathroom at the property and Livingstone Street Public Baths were just along the way.
