[quote=geekus]Try and get your hands on a copy of the 'Waterside Wirral' book, produced by the Mersey Basin Trust. It's full of maps, photos, and info etc., on Wirral's waterways. Ask at your local library if you can't find one in the shops. Seem to think it use to sell for something like a fiver.
Regarding "Saxon Bridge"This painting wa sold in 2009 and I reckon the paint was not even dry.I was leaning on the same flotsam debri that is in the painting, yesterday. Took some cracking pictures which I am stumped if I can put up. Will pass them on to Bandi or get a PC lesson off him If I cant do it myself., in truth it looks a mess with one entrance completely blocked and in need of some TLC.Also more like 18/19th century than Saxon. Promise details location ect, when I have put pictures up. Having a heavy weekend (no complaints)
After several emails sent to various agencies - received this reply. Any suggestions on what info to ask for?
1st [email protected] For copies of the maps requested, I suggest that you contact Ordnance Survey (OS) – Great Britain's national mapping agency. If OS is unable to help you directly, it may be able to suggest another organisation that can. You can email OS directly at: [email protected].
You may also wish to contact the Environment Agency (EA) to see if it can provide you with the maps requested as it has responsibility for flood risk and managing water resources. You can email the EA directly at: [email protected].
Thank you for your enquiry regarding river maps for the Wirral.
In order for us to assist you with your request, we require further information. Please respond to this email, quoting enquiry reference number 110214/HB06, with the following information:
* Specific details of the type of data/detail you require * Specific details of the area you require maps for * Is the information required for a particular time period? * Do you require flood history/ flood risk/ flood zone information? * Any additional information you believe may be useful so that we can clarify your enquiry.
Once we have received the above information, we will forward the details of your enquiry to the relevant person/team.
We look forward to receiving your response. If you have any further queries please contact us and we will be happy to help.
Kind regards Hannah Buswell
Customer Service Advisor Environment Agency National Customer Contact Centre 08708 506 506
Just out of interest on this, an old name for the river was the River Ayne, possibly of Welsh etymology, but not entirely certain. Fenders in the Wirral context are actually the name of the banks that are built up alongside the river.
Hope this of use for someone!
Also, I didn't realise people were after old maps, hadn't read the thread fully. If people let me know what map they want and from when, I've got digital copies of the whole country. Within reason though guys!
Erainn From Asda Woodchurch road go up Landican Lane/Road take the first puplic footpath on your left signed Storton. The path will widen just before you get to the undepass of the Bidston line railway that is the bridge.carry on under the M53 alongside the motorway down Roman road over Prenton golf club and you will be at the Saddle Club (mentioned in The Doomday Book)Expect to get very muddy
Erainn From Asda Woodchurch road go up Landican Lane/Road take the first puplic footpath on your left signed Storton. The path will widen just before you get to the undepass of the Bidston line railway that is the bridge.carry on under the M53 alongside the motorway down Roman road over Prenton golf club and you will be at the Saddle Club (mentioned in The Doomday Book)Expect to get very muddy
The Saddle Club was in Domesday? Was it still Grab a Granny in the 11th Century?
would like to see maps of wirral both old and latest showing where all the rivers start join and finish.Would like to see if their courses have between altered over the years (as someone suggested earlier possibly they could be overlayed by someone)
I've got to incorporate some of the older maps into ArcGIS for another project, so I'll post a low-res copy here some time next week. If anyone has ARCViewer, they can have the dataset.
Hi, thanks for the directions, on Google Maps that area around The Saddle Club looks fairly built-up, and look as I may I'm finding it difficult to see a river/stream course. The images posted of that bridge seem to suggest a fairly rural setting, are we sure that bridge is located as directed? Thanks again.
That's interesting, if the idea of 'Fender' meaning some form of embankment is the case, would be helpful to note other instances of streams rivers on the Wirral bearing the same name. The question would be asked, why if that was the case only this river was named after such river management, while other watercourses received specific names to do with location, such as Arrow Brook, and I gather Ford Brook, which I understand was a pre-existing name for that part of the now 'Fender' that passed towards Storeton way. Older maps, pre-industrial development may shed some light.
Superb work Derek.Suppose as a first step it may help to know what's the earliest maps they may have, also if available a base map showing original/current water courses in the Wirral. Other ideas folks?
As I have previously suggested, Fender does indeed relate to a type of levee or embankment.
Most watercourses probably get their names from their most significant physical characteristic. The Fender is heavily managed for flood control purposes and has been for centuries. Even before the enclosure of Wallasey Pool in the early 19th century & the construction of the Birkenhead Docks, archive records make reference to the name Fender.
In fact, the word Fender occurs in some local records as both a noun & a verb. People are known to have risked fines for not adequately 'fendering' the section of Fender passing through their land.
Other lesser streams & brooks would, probably, only have been refered to by this name if they were managed in a similar manner.
