Forums Forums Wirral Information Jobs - Training mechanic wanted!

My son would be interested in this and probably most of the students currently at wirral met, he has gained NVQ level 1 and 2 in transport engineering and currently working towards level 3.

A lot of the jobs in IT locally are pathetic wages locally - the problem is because of supply and demand (there are far more qualified people looking for the jobs, than there is jobs available), and also because of a lot of the customers of companies taking on, are cutting back their IT budgets massively etc...

I reguarly see jobs for web designers at minimum wage... A good web developer may have spent upwards of 7 years hard graft, and is in a constant learning trade where if they take their finger off the pulse for even a few days, they struggle to keep up and adapt with new technologies... hell, I can demand £35+ per hour for developing a website/database, and people are taking on for minimum wage at 18 hours per week and the like...

Exactly the same with other sectors of the IT industry, minimum wage jobs to become an IT engineer, be it shop based or even in some field engineer jobs, when I was training the wages back then (2002) were like £25 per hour upwards, I can't believe what I am seeing.

Even *nix admins are taking a hit nowadays, I used to charge $40 and that was seen as mega-cheap (some companies and chaps charge €45 per 15 minutes for example), but I reguarly see Freelancers offering their services for sub-$10 per hour, or jobs being put out to tender and reasonably established companies quoting $50 for a job expecting to take circa-4 hours. This isnt sue to the weak pound, as the industry tends to work in dollars based on the USD rather than the pound or eurozone.

It's a crazy world we live in, but I agree, id rather be working my ass off on £5.93 per hour and staying in a job, keeping a wage coming in and keeping myself within the industry than being on the dole for 6 months or more - by which time, potential employers will begin to feel you are possibly too great a risk to employ for a number of reasons.

It's always easier to get a job if you are already in one, and have a sustained and proven track record, than if you are jobless. People who are long-term unemployed, become un-employable. A low-paid job may only be viewed as a stop-gap, during which time there is nothing to stop the person looking for a better paid job!

Besides which, in general, people in this country do need to get off their high-horses a bit and stop thinking they are worth millions, they are worth whatever the market is offering to pay them, and if they are too stubborn/stupid to think that the ever-changing market rate is too low a wage for them to be arsed, then they are no use to this country anyway. I have domain names that are valued at like $6000 simply because of their placing within search engines etc... do I honestly think I would get that? No way in hell, not in todays market, more likely £500 maybe less!! Anything, be it a service, a skill, or a trade, is only worth, what someone is willing to pay for it; just because your name is John Smith for instance, does not, imho, make your plubming worth £20 per hour, when Kamil Frawenski will do the same job, to the same standard, and with less tea-breaks, for £8 per hour!

Lol listen to you lot!

A jobs a job, beggars carnt be choosers, deal with it and stop your wining!
If you don't want the job do one!

I think what is being overlooked here is that if minimum wage didn't exist then a lot of the above arguments fall into pieces - everybody would be working for nothing.

While there are skilled people prepared to work for minimum wage then they are not only undervaluing themselves but also effectively reducing other peoples wages.

Its not solely the employers fault, but also short-sighted employees who are happy to be walked over instead of joining unions and getting a FAIR wage for their skills.

Its the same as any transaction, if you continually sell things at a loss, you are doing nobody any favours. You lose money, the competition can't compete and the buyer revels in the market you have created yourself - but many would just moan about losing money.

I could give you a hand after work when needed 15 years experience good enough

pm me Chris

Good post DD, one thing that never changes is human nature, once an employer gets your value down to less than half it used to be, it will take years to get it back up, most employers love this type of situation we are in, in the long run if they devalue peoples skills, those skills will no longer exist. Why would they when they can get the same money flipping carpet burgers.

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A job is a job? Correct, you do what you need to do and lots of factors come into play. If you keep working then something else eventually comes along and you don't turn into a lard arse in the mean time. I'm speaking from experience. I've worked on the buses, car building lines, picked sprouts, picked potatoes, weeded cornfields. Worked on a cut meats production line and moved to a pork pie factory doing packing. Some of these jobs were before the minimum wage, so I consider the minimum wage mamby-pambies to be lucky b......ds. Don't get me wrong, I think it is good that conditions have improved but by the same token we are bringing up people who think everything should be handed to them on a silver platter. Life isn't like that and you end up being a social dependant if you think it is.