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I dont understand why there dousn't appear to have been a period of time in order for you to settle/ calm the baby and then opportunity to locate the tickets?

Baby kicked off climbing out of his pram and throwing his bottle as the train was pulling into the station and we didnt realise we had left them on the seat at the station.

To all those that comment about not being able to show a ticket, I challenge you to get on a train at Upton station and produce a valid ticket for travel (other than saveaways etc)

So, unfort imo 'they' were following procedure with regard to issueing the fines as you didnt have valid travel tickets. Altho i wud certainly dispute/ complain about the way you were treated ie the eyeballing and foot on the buggy! Where the passes in a bag or likely to have blown away?

My bold. Where does it say they did not follow procedures and/or protocol? Is there a copy of their policy and procedure available online? If so, please give me the link and I'll gladly go over it. However, the problem still will be that it is one word against another unless there is cctv evidence to support either side. The fact still remains that a valid ticket was not able to be produced at the time of asking.

As for the septic analogy, thankfully we're not in the States.



Yes I did read it all. However, as stated several times, the fact still remains that a valid ticket was not able to be produced at the time of asking. THAT is the Law. If you want to dispute it then go and get Legal representation or seek advice from the CAB instead of here. I'm legally trained, but my advice on here doesn't mean jack shit as it's an internet forum, it is merely classed as opinion, not legal advice. Anyone can be a keyboard lawyer, but for what it's worth, my advice would be seek proper, paid for legal advice or the CAB. To be honest, I think it's throwing good money after bad and will be cheaper to just pay the fine.

I doubt if their rule-book says that "if a person has a pram, put your foot on it to stop them getting away" - you MAY think there is a chance it does Wench.

I was also under the impression that any uniformed (one of your specialities I believe) official that has the power to detain, has to clearly identify themselves and their rank/grade on request.

I was suggesting an offer to trade MAY be a way forward on the grounds there is nothing to lose by trying, I consider the actions of the official to be sloppy at best, as I am sure others would, again you MAY think his behaviour perfectly acceptable.

I have not said that the fine is not due, merely that it MAY be subject to some bargaining given the actions of the officials.

Have you got shares in Merseyrail by any chance?

Quote from somebody sometime ..... one half of our laws are unwritten, the other half are made up!

Best thing to do.. Pay the fine.

I'm not sure why you would use a saveway for just 1 stop anyway?.

Upton Station is not covered by the Merseyrail service and therefore does not come under their penalty fare system. Arriva Trains Wales operate that line with unmanned stations and have a conductor authorised to sell tickets on-train.

OK - was the pram damaged? Does it constitute a criminal offence? Was the child injured because someone put a foot on a pram?? Nothing has been said to this effect so it is a moot point. The pram was not the issue about the Rules and Regs.



My specialties in what way?? If you mean as in Criminal Law then it's my preferred branch, yes - wtf that has to do with anything I don't know. Yes they should, but they were not detained and it was not requested going by the initial post and subsequent information given, so another moot point.


You can't trade a fine. The law was broken, end of. Mislaid ticket or not. It was not available to be produced on request. We only have one side of the story to go on, and by that comment I am not saying that the OP is lying before I'm slated. By trying to argue the fine etc, the chances are that a bigger fine may be imposed. Not a chance I'd be willing to take. I didn't say it was acceptable did I??

I didn't say you did, but at least we agree that the fine is due. Hallelujah!! As for the bargaining, see above.

No.

I'll agree with that, certainly some people on the forums I am on obviously think they make the laws or can manipulate them to suit their own case or that of others.

H has no right to put a finger on you.
The thing is he might of thought you were trying to pull a fast 1 with regards to having no ticket even if you did mis lay it end of the day everyone needs to show a ticket for their journey.
Am not condoning his behaviour.

You said you had saveaways "ready to use" does this mean you hadn't scratched them off yet? The ticket inspectors look at this as an offence too.

by the way on Stoppers are the biggest crowd of fair dodgers.

Going completely off the subject but just so you know we had made quite a few journeys that day NOT JUST THE ONE!! on our fully scratched and sealed saveaways! I was asking for advice from members of this site, which it has had a lot of different opinions which ive taken onboard, but whats pissed me off is the way its now getting sly insinuations that we were dodging a fair, I asked for advice on WETHER THERE ACTIONS WERE LEGAL, I agree that we all should be treated the same and fair dodgers fined, im not arsed about the fine I can appeal it as I have reciepts. In my opinion they went over the top by getting aggressive and all I wanted to know was could they legaly physically stop us. Thanks to everyone who have gave constructive feed back. And FU who just want a snipe.

I agree thanks hun.

No it dosent mean that at all. If your going to quote me do it in context. Her, Ill do it now to make it clear "We bought saveaways a few days ago READY TO USE whilst the car is off the road. Reads different now dont it!!