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#303396 - 22nd Mar 2009 1:45pm Gated Roundabouts
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as title but ones with gates in the middle, i recall one in rock ferry but dont know why as there was nothing big and long that went through there.
i guess this was before the motorway was built.

Any idea or pics of any more.
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#303404 - 22nd Mar 2009 2:20pm Re: Gated Roundabouts [Re: pacef8]
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I dont live far from it i'll try and pop round and take one
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#303409 - 22nd Mar 2009 2:33pm Re: Gated Roundabouts [Re: pacef8]
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[quote=pacef8]as title but ones with gates in the middle, i recall one in rock ferry but dont know why as there was nothing big and long that went through there.
i guess this was before the motorway was built.

Any idea or pics of any more.
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If your talking about the one by Victoria park, that was gated to allow large manufactured goods to go through that couldn't go around. I was only talking to Jimbob the other day about it, he'll tell you more, but i think there was a locomotive manufacturer up that way years ago.



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#303414 - 22nd Mar 2009 2:51pm Re: Gated Roundabouts [Re: bert1]
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they were for railway vehicles being moved by road i think
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#303429 - 22nd Mar 2009 3:39pm Re: Gated Roundabouts [Re: rentaclown100]
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yeah it was to allow oversized vehicles to go through i have memorys as a kid seeing it been used one
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#303463 - 22nd Mar 2009 4:43pm Re: Gated Roundabouts [Re: uggla]
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The one at Bedford Drive, Bedford Avenue and Bebington Road was used quite regularly, I alwys presumed the big stuff was going to Cammel Lairds (boilers etc), this was the days before the New Ferry Bypass.

They used to go round in advance unbolting all sorts of road signs etc, I think the gate posts on the roundabout had to come down sometimes, it was great to watch.
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#303483 - 22nd Mar 2009 5:15pm Re: Gated Roundabouts [Re: diggingdeeper]
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I saw a low loader delivering something to Lairds once (not sure if it was a big propellor}
Took up quite a bit of road width and had police cars in front and behind it

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#303575 - 22nd Mar 2009 9:32pm Re: Gated Roundabouts [Re: derekdwc]
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The road that was cut through the rounderbout at the junction of Bedford Avenue and Bedford Drive was done in the 1950s. Not for anything going to Cammell Lairds. it was for large loads going to birkenhead docks that where to high to pass under the railway bridge on New chester Road at the bottom of Chester Street. In 1953/ 1954 there was the start of big order for large locamotives {railway engines} that where built some where in the mid-lands? and had to get to the docks to be loaded onto ships and taken to Africa. In those days there was no m53. m56 so the only main trunk road was the A41 {new chester road} and the stumbling block was the bridge like i have said at the bottom of chester street by waterloo place. I watched many a railway engine on the back of very large lorry's driving up Bedford Road from New Chester Road and on through the middle of that rounderbout. Later there was also other large loads went that was to the docks. would like to point out that in those days Cammell Lairds was still building its own Boilers, Gear boxes and complete engines for the ships that it was building.Hence the boilershop, the gear room and the engine shop {the good days of 10,000 men employed
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#303582 - 22nd Mar 2009 9:50pm Re: Gated Roundabouts [Re: jimbob]
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After the 2nd world war and well into the 1950s a lot of the bus drivers where X army. the set of gates on that rounderbout where hit by a bus. Yes the driver of the bus was Xarmy {did he think he was still driving a Tank?} bert1 has more detail on this incerdent
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#303586 - 22nd Mar 2009 9:57pm Re: Gated Roundabouts [Re: jimbob]
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The Bridge by the Shakespeare Pub which was the railway into/out of Cammel Lairds.

In the late 60s and early 70s, there was large loads going DOWN Bedford Avenue which is why I always assumed Cammel Lairds. The loads weren't tall but big and heavy. Think I might have seen a propellor go down there once, no idea where it would have come from, I thought all props came from Stone Manganese, I suppose they would have the same problem with that bridge in the opposite direction.
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#303625 - 22nd Mar 2009 11:49pm Re: Gated Roundabouts [Re: diggingdeeper]
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What was the point in that roundabout anyway with the gate?? Its like the holy donut (st james church) whats the point in putting a church on a roundabout.. (yes i know its not one anymore but still happy
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#303843 - 23rd Mar 2009 9:40pm Re: Gated Roundabouts [Re: SoundLad]
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The loads which passed through the gates at Victoria Park were mainly large diesel locomotives, which I think came from Vulcan Foundry at Newton Le Willows.These were taken to Birkenhead Docks for loading by means of the large crane on the West Float by Beaufort Road / Corporation Road junction.
The actual route was from New Chester Road ,up Rock Lane West to Old Chester Road , then right past Byrne Ave baths, left up Bedford Avenue through the roundabout Bedford Drive, Borough Road. Not sure after this.

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#303847 - 23rd Mar 2009 9:50pm Re: Gated Roundabouts [Re: 8HBob]
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the rounderbout was there first as a normal rounderbout. thge road with the gates was done later when the large high loads at to have a alternate rout so as to miss the low bridge at chester street.
As far as St James Church been built on a rounderbout, check the date the church was built and the maps of the same era and you will see that a lot of the roads where only tracks prior to the church been built.


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#317516 - 9th May 2009 11:32am Re: Gated Roundabouts [Re: jimbob]
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Liverpool and Birkenhead docks were certainly most important handlers of export locos from Vulcan Foundry, Newton-le-Willows, and Beyer-Peacock, Gorton, Manchester. Larger loading gauges abroad meant factory-to-ship delivery had to be by road, partly dismantled, as the loco would not fit under our bridges or past our platforms.
You would often see Edward Box's heavy loads vehicles on the East Lancs Road into Liverpool.
I lived opposite Port Sunlight station until the mid '60s and strange rail carriages built by Metro-Cammell, Birmingham, would be seen trundling past. Sometimes temporary bogies would be fitted for the journey to the docks.
Those really were 'the good old days' of full employment when we were railway builders to the world. Only reasonable because we did invent them, courtesy of Mr Brassey and others!!!
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#317520 - 9th May 2009 12:36pm Re: Gated Roundabouts [Re: bri445]
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You wouldn't catch me standing under one of those, in the region of 100 tons, possibly as high as 150 tons - imagine stacking 100 cars on top of each other, incredible weight.

Thanks Bri for sharing memories AND pictures.


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