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what is the name of the book you have taken those pics from,looks like one that i would like to add to my collection.
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The stream that ran down what is now Borough Road was called the Rubicon.
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Pics are from a book called Birkenhead- A Pictorial History by Ian Boumphrey
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oh thanks,have not got that one yet,i will look out for it.i have a few of ian's books,they are good arnt they,and he is a real nice guy.
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I have a couple of comments on the original topic of the sewer overflow.
I remember that the manhole chambers around the top of Everest Rd / Victoria Park were amongst the deepest on Wirral - unfortunately I can't precisely recall the depths, but I think they are 15m+.
This whole area was modelled on a computer in the early 1990s which required an accurate idea of pipe sizes, manhole depths, catchment areas etc. The accuracy of the computer model was verified by collecting actual flow measurements in the various pipes during heavy rainfall, together with rain gauge information collected from several nearby roofs (one was on the Crosville Depot on New Chester Road).
The reason for the modelling was the design of a new "interceptor" sewer to carry flows from the end of St Paul's Road next to the roundabout and then south beneath the Rock Ferry / New Ferry bypass to the pumping station at The Dell. This scheme was called "Beaconsfield North Interceptor Sewer" and was part of the MEPAS (Mersey Estuary Pollution Alleviation Scheme) initiative to clean up the river Mersey.
Other schemes on the Wirral side (in chronological order) were Wallasey Interceptor Sewer, Green Lane IS (Birkenhead), and Beaconsfied South IS (which took flows down to Dock Road South in Bromborough). As for Beaconsfield North, I can't remember what happened to the flows after they left The Dell pumping station (may have gone to Beaconsfield South outfall off the end of Dock Road South?). The outfalls at Tranmere and the Dell (extended to mean low water spring tides) were retained as overflows in case the system was 'beaten' during rain storms. I think all the drainage from the Rock Park frontage may have been picked up (previously it just went out part way across the foreshore to discharge)and taken via tunnel back to the main Interceptor Tunnel under the by-pass.
That was how the design was being progressed but I don't know what was finally actually constructed, but I suspect it wasn't too different.
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Other schemes on the Wirral side (in chronological order) were Wallasey Interceptor Sewer, Green Lane IS (Birkenhead), and Beaconsfied South IS (which took flows down to Dock Road South in Bromborough). As for Beaconsfield North, I can't remember what happened to the flows after they left The Dell pumping station (may have gone to Beaconsfield South outfall off the end of Dock Road South?).
I Remember when Dock Road south was being done. They had all the new sewer pipes lined end to end on the grass next to the walk path. I used to walked the whole of dock road south inside the pipes on my way to primary school (Bromborough Pool). They also dug up a lot of the Park on Port causeway and stored all the new concrete pipes and sections (I got caught short and did a poo in one). It was a great alternative to our park with loads of hiding places. Also at the same time they dug the biggest hole I ever saw in our field were we used to collect conca's just next to the Dock Road. It was very similar to the one that was dug at new Brighton a couple of years ago and I thinks the pipes lead to it. The location and size of hole: ![[Linked Image]](https://www.wikiwirral.co.uk/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/download/Number/31231/filename/brompool.png) The new Brighton one ![[Linked Image]](https://www.wikiwirral.co.uk/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/download/Number/31230/filename/newb.png) ![[Linked Image]](https://www.wikiwirral.co.uk/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/download/Number/31229/filename/newb2.jpg) I know this is maybe not connected but still loosely relevant to the overflow tunnels.
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That chamber/hole down Dock Road South was for one (or maybe two) "Stormking" combined sewer overflow devices - designed to only allow forward a certain amount of flow and allow the rest to overflow. Storm King Overflows the site calls them "advanced hydrodynamic vortex separators" but it's really a glorified weir arrangement iirc. The New Brighton hole was about 20m deep by 20 or 25m diameter and is basically an offline storage chamber for storm water to stop the Wallasey Interceptor Sewer getting overloaded - when the pumping station at New Brighton couldn't cope with flows entering it, the excess would dischare through the nearby outfall on the foreshore; now it goes to the new large storage chamber instead and reduces the number of spills on the foreshore. A sensor detects when there's enough capacity in the main tunnel under the promenade after the storm flows have gone, and the stored water from the new prom chamber is pumped back to the New Brighton Pumping Station and then from there along the prom (or rather in the pipe underneath it) eventually ending up at Scotts Field treatment works (I think). Fancy defecating in a sewer pipe - other people have to use them too you know
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According to a vid on you tube, some of the overflow floods underneath the palace funfair at New Brighton, its a good clip.
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I have a couple of comments on the original topic of the sewer overflow.
I remember that the manhole chambers around the top of Everest Rd / Victoria Park were amongst the deepest on Wirral - unfortunately I can't precisely recall the depths, but I think they are 15m+.
This whole area was modelled on a computer in the early 1990s which required an accurate idea of pipe sizes, manhole depths, catchment areas etc. The accuracy of the computer model was verified by collecting actual flow measurements in the various pipes during heavy rainfall, together with rain gauge information collected from several nearby roofs (one was on the Crosville Depot on New Chester Road).
The reason for the modelling was the design of a new "interceptor" sewer to carry flows from the end of St Paul's Road next to the roundabout and then south beneath the Rock Ferry / New Ferry bypass to the pumping station at The Dell. This scheme was called "Beaconsfield North Interceptor Sewer" and was part of the MEPAS (Mersey Estuary Pollution Alleviation Scheme) initiative to clean up the river Mersey.
Other schemes on the Wirral side (in chronological order) were Wallasey Interceptor Sewer, Green Lane IS (Birkenhead), and Beaconsfied South IS (which took flows down to Dock Road South in Bromborough). As for Beaconsfield North, I can't remember what happened to the flows after they left The Dell pumping station (may have gone to Beaconsfield South outfall off the end of Dock Road South?). The outfalls at Tranmere and the Dell (extended to mean low water spring tides) were retained as overflows in case the system was 'beaten' during rain storms. I think all the drainage from the Rock Park frontage may have been picked up (previously it just went out part way across the foreshore to discharge)and taken via tunnel back to the main Interceptor Tunnel under the by-pass.
That was how the design was being progressed but I don't know what was finally actually constructed, but I suspect it wasn't too different.
It's good to have this extra info. According to the plans I've seen,(details in first post),the depth at the top of Victoria Park is 21 metres. It's unfortunate that the plans held by United Utilities don't give any details of the arrangement at Borough Rd. i.e. is the overflow taking all of the water which used to go down Borough Rd. or just the excess when the flow reaches a certain volume. In particular, we still don't know how the overflow was dug at the Borough Rd end. My suspicion is that it was started in what was waste ground next to the Rovers' ground, which is now car park.
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Up until a few years ago I had access to A0 size linen original "OS" plans of Wirral from about 1900 on which had been inked in all sewer lines, pipe sizes, invert and cover levels etc. I could have looked at these and maybe given a more definitive response but I do seem to recall the bottom of Everest Road/Borough Road being important - there may have been a weir/overflow there with excess flows diverted towards the Mersey via the Everest Rd/Victoria Park/St.Pauls Road route (your first photo in your first post)- I remember someone going down that manhole and the safety rope on the harness nearly ran out (deeper than thought); unfortunately I can't recall precise details of the findings.
I used to have a nice coloured drawing on linen of a sewer vent along Borough Road (looked like a cast iron lamp column, but the top was open to the atmosphere) - I think some of the vents are still in-situ.
21 metres depth wouldn't surprise me, I thought I'd better under- rather than over-estimate the depth in my original post. I remember a flow monitor going in to that deep manhole to record storm flows - this of course resulted in one of the driest spells for a long time, and when it did rain all the equipment got washed away (and probably out under Tranmere Oil Terminal outfall).
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Up until a few years ago I had access to A0 size linen original "OS" plans of Wirral from about 1900 on which had been inked in all sewer lines, pipe sizes, invert and cover levels etc. I could have looked at these and maybe given a more definitive response but I do seem to recall the bottom of Everest Road/Borough Road being important - there may have been a weir/overflow there with excess flows diverted towards the Mersey via the Everest Rd/Victoria Park/St.Pauls Road route (your first photo in your first post)- I remember someone going down that manhole and the safety rope on the harness nearly ran out (deeper than thought); unfortunately I can't recall precise details of the findings.
I used to have a nice coloured drawing on linen of a sewer vent along Borough Road (looked like a cast iron lamp column, but the top was open to the atmosphere) - I think some of the vents are still in-situ.
21 metres depth wouldn't surprise me, I thought I'd better under- rather than over-estimate the depth in my original post. I remember a flow monitor going in to that deep manhole to record storm flows - this of course resulted in one of the driest spells for a long time, and when it did rain all the equipment got washed away (and probably out under Tranmere Oil Terminal outfall). Thanks for the extra info. Which manhole was it where the rope nearly ran out? Not Borough Rd. surely? The reason I think the work may have started in what is now Rovers' car park is that it would have minimised disruption in Borough Rd. Also, the presence of the 2 quite tall banks of spoil there which several of us used to play on (1940's/50's). There are still quite a few of the tall vent pipes around, many in the Prenton area; there's a few pics in the thread Old Wirral Street Furniture. What a pity you haven't still got those original plans!
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Which manhole was it where the rope nearly ran out? Not Borough Rd. surely? Yes I think it was in Borough Road at the bottom of Everest Road - the thing was it was a straight drop, top to bottom, whereas the deeper ones (further up Everest Road and in the park) tend to have intermediate landings. I know where the original plans went to, if I get a chance in the next couple of weeks I'll try and see if they're retrievable.
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I know where the original plans went to, if I get a chance in the next couple of weeks I'll try and see if they're retrievable. That would be great.
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I believe that at the end of the bypass, the flow is normally diverted to a sump at the bottom of the dell, behind the car park. Three large pumps then pump it up New Ferry Road to the Beaconsfield sewage works.
I suspect where the original tunnel was intercepted - behind KFC - a weir will have been constructed so that excessive flows can go through the original tunnel. This flows through and under the oil terminal and runs under the jetty which runs out to where the tankers are discharged. At low tide, you can see the end of this tunnel from the river.
I can't recall where I saw this, but I think the tunnel intercepted the old borough road tunnel further down Borough roud. Somewhere about the junction of Parkside Road or even further down. (I have heard North Road mentioned as the interception point) From there it flows back under Borough road to Everest Road, where it follows the route described.
Sadly I can't offer any confirmation of this rather vague memory. Perhaps someone can confirm or deny it. There is a degree of plausibility in the story in that if you are going to build an overflow tunnel, it makes sense to catch as much flow as you can, and the further down Borough Rd you intercept the sewer, the better. From North road, the contribution from Singleton Avenue would also be included. The elevation at North road ia 5 metres lower thanthat at the Boroug rd/Everest Rd juction. This might explain why it is so deep at that point?
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The roundabout at Victoria Park is always being dug up and massive steel erected in the middle, wonder if it has anything to do with this tunnel/overflow ?
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