WikiWirral 16yrs online 24/7 365 days a year.
Forum Statistics
Posts1,027,439
Topics75,537
Members13,472
Forums65
Posts in last 24hrs11
Most Online14,906
Nov 23rd, 2019
Who's Online Now
48 registered members (11kendo, 7 invisible), 1,257 guests, and260 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Social Media : Follow Us


Popular Topics(Views 7days)
New General Forums
New Brighton racing memories
by johncon. 12th Aug 2020 9:02am
TV licence
by casper. 11th Aug 2020 5:27pm
Hi everyone.
by Harp1st. 6th Aug 2020 12:16pm
The cat got the cream
by snowhite. 23rd Jul 2020 2:25pm
New Wirral History
Woodside Ferry on Upton Rd
by mikeeb. 11th Aug 2020 12:50pm
A Stanworth Shop, Birkenhead North
by diggingdeeper. 6th Aug 2020 11:11am
Toll booths Birkenhead Tunnel
by mikeeb. 4th Aug 2020 2:34pm
Ron Gittins Stories ?
by DaDoRon. 2nd Jul 2020 9:59pm
Outdoor swimming pools
by mikeeb. 30th Jun 2020 4:26pm
Forum Tips
Photo Gallery Forums
Boaty McBoatface takes shape
The gathering storm: Mersey waterfront today
Topic Replies
Men's mountain bike
by Peter0787. 12th Aug 2020 1:58pm
Any Auto Electricians here?
by Pete_M. 12th Aug 2020 10:10am
Woodside Ferry on Upton Rd
by mikeeb. 12th Aug 2020 9:24am
Toll booths Birkenhead Tunnel
by bert1. 12th Aug 2020 5:31am
What song are you listening to?
by GaryFromWirral. 11th Aug 2020 9:36pm
Ron Gittins Stories ?
by DaDoRon. 10th Aug 2020 8:13pm
Xbox One Console With RDR 2 And 22" LG TV
by rhoobarb2002. 10th Aug 2020 4:15pm
Hi everyone.
by Harp1st. 10th Aug 2020 2:43pm
676 Queens Royal Hotel Marine Promenade Wallasey
by mikeeb. 10th Aug 2020 12:22pm
August
M T W T F S S
1 2
3 4 5 6 7 8 9
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30
31
Recent Posts : What's On ?
Restaurant/pub with outdoor seating - Bromborough
by diggingdeeper. 8th Aug 2020 11:17am
Previous Topic
Next Topic
Print Topic
Rating 5
Page 3 of 4 1 2 3 4
Re: Fever Hospital : The Cellars [Re: MattLFC] #231804
26th May 2008 8:56pm
26th May 2008 8:56pm
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 21,231
Wirral
Mark Offline OP

Wiki Master
Mark  Offline OP

Wiki Master
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 21,231
Wirral
Notice how i got shoved down the hole frown


My Avatar images are all from the Wirral Gallery.Click Me
Wow Wirral History is coming along Great! Wirral History

we get +200 new members a month now smile
Google Ads
Re: Fever Hospital : The Cellars [Re: Mark] #231905
27th May 2008 8:45am
27th May 2008 8:45am
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,868
shropshire
chriskay Offline
Forum Veteran
chriskay  Offline
Forum Veteran
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,868
shropshire
Originally Posted by Mark
Notice how i got shoved down the hole frown


Not far enough, some might say. happy


Carpe diem.
Re: Fever Hospital : The Cellars [Re: chriskay] #231951
27th May 2008 12:33pm
27th May 2008 12:33pm
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 308
Prenton
D
Doctor_Frick Offline
Old Hand
Doctor_Frick  Offline
Old Hand
D
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 308
Prenton
omg


Over 5000 years of Wirral History:
Re: Fever Hospital : The Cellars [Re: Doctor_Frick] #231986
27th May 2008 1:49pm
27th May 2008 1:49pm
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 16,225
New Brighton
_Ste_ Offline
Wiki Master
_Ste_  Offline
Wiki Master
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 16,225
New Brighton
lol, love the avatar doc wink

Re: Fever Hospital : The Cellars [Re: MattLFC] #243741
18th Jul 2008 7:22pm
18th Jul 2008 7:22pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 9,995
Back of the wardrobe
MissGuided Offline

Awesome
MissGuided  Offline

Awesome
Wiki Guardian
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 9,995
Back of the wardrobe
Hi
I am really fascinated by this find of 'rooms'. I have been speaking to my dad who used to work at St James Hospital in the 60s. He reckons that where you have located these rooms, you are no longer on the hospital site.
The building you refer to as the old nurses home is in fact ward 8 and 9 (cancer patients were treated here in the 60s). Ward 8 and 9 were built to treat patients with TB hence the verandas you can see in the photo - where they would push the patients beds out to get air - believing this would improve their health (this is the method used by most sanatoriums - nothing to do with mental health btw). He says that the majority of buildings there did not have cellars, unless they were in the admin block (which was the last bit to be pulled down (was a nursing home in its final years). But this was situated near the corner of Tollemache and Mercer Roads (this bit still derelict?). I assume the wall you are walking alongside is that which backs onto the gardens of houses in Maplewood Close? If that is the case then are you not in the boundary of the cemetery? My dad also thinks that the buildings nearest to the boundary wall had a door which went directly into the graveyard, possibly for transporting corpses to their resting place. I'm eager to see a map that shows the hospital built and where the boundary lies. I might have to go back the Central Library - if its still open!!

I have a map of this area in 1870. The majority of the cemetery is marked out but that whole area where the hospital stood is in fact quarry, as is the other side of Tollemache - which we know as the top and bottom rec - before they built the new houses. I will attach the map. I actually took a photocopy of it from the archives in Central Library. The reason it looks so stained is because I attacked it with a tea bag to make it look old (lol).

Another thing. There have never been any buildings where the top rec (kids playground) is. I asked my dad about air raid shelters cut into the edge of the rec and he said he can't recall there ever having been air raid shelters or tunnels there. It may be an urban myth (unless of course someone knows somebody who actually went in them).



Re: Fever Hospital : The Cellars [Re: MissGuided] #243754
18th Jul 2008 9:09pm
18th Jul 2008 9:09pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 9,995
Back of the wardrobe
MissGuided Offline

Awesome
MissGuided  Offline

Awesome
Wiki Guardian
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 9,995
Back of the wardrobe
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/12238492

This is a photo of the map - not the best quality. But it gives you an idea of how the land was being used in 1870. Flaybrick Cemetery opened in 1864 so this may explain why it doesn't stretch as far as it does now. As you can see from the map - the main chapel was split so that dissenters (non-conformists) were held in the mortuary chapel on the left and the CofE people were kept in the right. The RC were kept in the chapel up by the nanny goat gate. These were mortuaries, not crematoriums, crematoriums were only just being built in 1870s as people began to accept it as a means of disposing of the dead. Other interesting points:
- Bidston Avenue is called Bailey Street
- The land where they built Birkenhead Institute was marshy which might explain the excuse they used to demolish it (subsidence...)
- There is a road running through where all the flower avenues now stand (marked 42 .674 on map)
- You can see Tam O'Shanter farm on it (292 1.349)
- There are trees all the way along Tollemache including where Bidston Avenue School stands. Could any of the trees in the playground be original?

Attached Files
12238492.jpg (111 downloads)


Re: Fever Hospital : The Cellars [Re: MissGuided] #243756
18th Jul 2008 9:23pm
18th Jul 2008 9:23pm
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 1,660
Birkenhead
I
IzzZzzY Offline
Forum Addict
IzzZzzY  Offline
Forum Addict
I
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 1,660
Birkenhead
I know my nana went to the fever hospital cas she had TB, my aunt and my dad had to go there too for their jabs. And they have told me about the old air raid shelters up on the wreck, they used to be there, they used to get so full that alot of people were left out, my grandad ended up building a shelter in our backyard. When we dug up where it used to be a few weeks ago.. when we got far down we found stone steps too.. that was odd.


Thing about lies is... you will finally get caught out, remember that smile
Re: Fever Hospital : The Cellars [Re: IzzZzzY] #243762
18th Jul 2008 9:55pm
18th Jul 2008 9:55pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 9,995
Back of the wardrobe
MissGuided Offline

Awesome
MissGuided  Offline

Awesome
Wiki Guardian
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 9,995
Back of the wardrobe
Yeah my Nan and aunty got TB and had to stay there for a bit.
Well that's good - we have evidence of air raid shelters from relatives - but I bet they have filled it all in now frown

Did you find any relics in the shelter?



Re: Fever Hospital : The Cellars [Re: MissGuided] #243766
18th Jul 2008 10:34pm
18th Jul 2008 10:34pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 35
Sunny Wirral
F
FreckledHen Offline
Newbeee
FreckledHen  Offline
Newbeee
F
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 35
Sunny Wirral
That was a really good explanation of the origins of the Fever hospital!

Re: Fever Hospital : The Cellars [Re: FreckledHen] #243770
18th Jul 2008 11:20pm
18th Jul 2008 11:20pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 9,995
Back of the wardrobe
MissGuided Offline

Awesome
MissGuided  Offline

Awesome
Wiki Guardian
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 9,995
Back of the wardrobe
Just found this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stories/52/a5864952.shtml
and http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stories/27/a2040427.shtml

The 2nd one mentions:
At the back of my memory there is a picture of being put into a brown wooden sided light brown coloured ambulance and taken to a place which had a bed looking into the night. Was it an isolation hospital, and did I really have diptheria?

I wonder if this was St James and he was out on the veranda?



Re: Fever Hospital : The Cellars [Re: MissGuided] #243804
19th Jul 2008 3:06pm
19th Jul 2008 3:06pm
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 1,660
Birkenhead
I
IzzZzzY Offline
Forum Addict
IzzZzzY  Offline
Forum Addict
I
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 1,660
Birkenhead
I've just found out there were 3 parts to the hospital.. Births, Burns and Diptheria. There was/is a tunnel going from the hospital to the church in the graveyard. My aunt says she remembers looking over the wall and seeing them taking bodies to the bunkers/tunnels to be taken to be burnt, and one of my great aunts or someone used to work in the Diptheria section of the hospital.

As for the shelters, my dad said if you look at the wall by the wreck you can see a differance in brick work, thats where they bricked them up so no one could use them after the war was over but there used to be 3 bunkers built into that wall behind all the new houses.
Also my nana wasnt treated in the fever hosital for TB, the hospital for TB back then was Clatterbridge, she was told by the fever hospital she had TB, sorry got a bit mixed up lol.


Thing about lies is... you will finally get caught out, remember that smile
Re: Fever Hospital : The Cellars [Re: IzzZzzY] #246982
10th Aug 2008 9:24pm
10th Aug 2008 9:24pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 9,995
Back of the wardrobe
MissGuided Offline

Awesome
MissGuided  Offline

Awesome
Wiki Guardian
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 9,995
Back of the wardrobe
Here's a map - note what looks like a small cutting, possibly natural, running between cemetery and hospital grounds. Maybe this is what was found, with roof strengthened with girders (like cut and fill technique?) Checked 1882 map and the cutting is there then as well, and 1876.

Attached Files
fever-hospital-1900.jpg (227 downloads)
Last edited by MissGuided; 10th Aug 2008 9:34pm.


Re: Fever Hospital : The Cellars [Re: MissGuided] #246991
10th Aug 2008 10:05pm
10th Aug 2008 10:05pm
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 16,225
New Brighton
_Ste_ Offline
Wiki Master
_Ste_  Offline
Wiki Master
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 16,225
New Brighton
Wow, good work peeps, finding out more all the time smile

Re: Fever Hospital : The Cellars [Re: _Ste_] #248708
16th Aug 2008 9:36pm
16th Aug 2008 9:36pm
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,238
wirral
jonno40 Offline
Forum Addict
jonno40  Offline
Forum Addict
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,238
wirral
The red dot marks approximately where the location of the cellars pictured earlier in the post are. When we investigated them we saw no evidence of any tunnels . Depending on who you talk to there are lots of stories of tunnels running from the cemetery ,Bidston Hill or the hospital but other than the shelters, we have found no signs of any.... YET.

Attached Files
7942[1].jpg (189 downloads)
Last edited by jonno40; 16th Aug 2008 9:40pm.

It all makes perfect sense expressed in dollars and cents ,pound shillings and pence
Re: Fever Hospital : The Cellars [Re: MattLFC] #258426
18th Sep 2008 1:09pm
18th Sep 2008 1:09pm
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 67
Wirral
boughtanpaid4 Offline
Member
boughtanpaid4  Offline
Member
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 67
Wirral
Why is St James' in such a weird place? why was it ever on a roundabout? cant although it was better!!. How did people used to get to it? i cant remember and now i have visions of OAP'S dodging traffic and leggin it across the road lol.

Page 3 of 4 1 2 3 4

Moderated by  Mod 

Random Wirral Images

Click to View Topic.
Newest Topics
Any Auto Electricians here?
by Pete_M. 12th Aug 2020 10:08am
Woodside Ferry on Upton Rd
by mikeeb. 11th Aug 2020 12:50pm
Restaurant/pub with outdoor seating - Bromborough
by CarterUSM. 7th Aug 2020 9:00pm
Restaurant/pub with outdoor seating - Bromborough
by CarterUSM. 7th Aug 2020 8:59pm
Hi everyone.
by Harp1st. 6th Aug 2020 12:16pm
For Sale & Free
Men's mountain bike
by Peter0787. 12th Aug 2020 1:58pm
Xbox One Console With RDR 2 And 22" LG TV
by rhoobarb2002. 6th Aug 2020 4:13pm
Roland U-20 Vintage 80s/90s RS-PCM Keyboard/Synth
by rhoobarb2002. 6th Aug 2020 3:41pm
Three light unit
by gerry1. 3rd Aug 2020 10:36am
Carlton Players Birkenhead Theatre Programmes
by NickWirral. 19th Jul 2020 8:54pm
Member Spotlight
Gibbo
Gibbo
Oxton
Posts: 2,185
Joined: December 2010
Show All Member Profiles 
Newest Members
LACEWWING11, Bobblenose, Johan_Enrik, Oscar27, Barry02020
13472 Registered Users
Today's Birthdays
No Birthdays
New Wirral Info
Restaurant/pub with outdoor seating - Bromborough
by CarterUSM. 7th Aug 2020 9:00pm
Restaurant/pub with outdoor seating - Bromborough
by CarterUSM. 7th Aug 2020 8:59pm
What Wood?
by rocks. 1st Aug 2020 7:12pm
Covid testing with certification on Wirral
by CarterUSM. 23rd Jul 2020 10:46am
Neowise comet
by mikeeb. 20th Jul 2020 9:04pm
News : New Topics
New Merseyrail trains covered in graffiti
by mikeeb. 28th Jul 2020 6:38pm
Found bicycle seat cover
by BultacoAstro. 25th Jul 2020 10:43am
Regeneration of New Ferry
by Excoriator. 24th Jul 2020 3:53pm
Painted frontages of new Ferry Shops.
by Excoriator. 23rd Jul 2020 11:29pm
Liver building
by cools. 26th Jun 2020 11:14pm
New Enthusiast Forums
Any Auto Electricians here?
by Pete_M. 12th Aug 2020 10:08am
Advice Needed Hellcat Carrera rear Wheel
by BultacoAstro. 28th Jul 2020 11:04am
River Mersey , then and now
by cools. 23rd Jul 2020 7:19pm
What is sitting on roof
by BultacoAstro. 9th Jul 2020 11:03am
Cruel ear cropping breeders moved to Bromborough
by venice. 21st Mar 2019 4:10pm
Popular Topics(Views 24hrs)
Wirral Sunrise Sunset
Sunrise Wed 5:48am
Sunset Wed 8:45pm
Local Time Wed 7:37pm
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.1.1