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How long until Russia switches off the gas supply to Germany? And which European countries will suffer as Germany will try to protect itself?

The knockon from a gas shortage are many, electricty shortage, water shortage (as pipes burst), food shortages etc.

Many "leaders" have been prodding the bear, did they forget the bear isn't chained?

I can see little choice but to let Putin get on with it, the alternatives will cost many more lives - but life is cheaper now than ever before.


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Back In The USSR Beatles.
Hi i believe they will charge more for there Gas thoe they might if NATO rolls in.
I thought it was Insane offering Sanction`s for a Country the size of Ukraine. If we rolled UN Division`s in believe he would think twice unfortunately EU Didn't want to get Involved.
Still haven't took Russia out of SWIFT as some Won't Commit and should be named and Shamed ?

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Sorry DD, he has to be stopped,he has virtually threatened everyone with annihilation if they dare oppose him, the Chinese have taken this as an opportunity to threaten as well, no one wants war but we all know the consequences of appeasement.

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Originally Posted by casper
Sorry DD, he has to be stopped,he has virtually threatened everyone with annihilation if they dare oppose him, the Chinese have taken this as an opportunity to threaten as well, no one wants war but we all know the consequences of appeasement.


Like we have threatened him.

We (Nato) started this unholy mess back in 1990 when we broke our promise about not expanding Nato into the Baltic Countries on the break-up of the USSR.

He has asked for demilitarisation of Eastern Ukraine, this could have been offered as a simple solution without any loss of life. This would also have been good for Ukraine as it would have stopped the civil war that was going on already.

However, this is Putin we are talking about, a master strategist who is about one hundred times cleverer than any other Western leader. What he actually wants maybe something quite simple, he may not be prepared to reveal, his cards yet. Our simpleton leaders called his bluff, he is the last person on earth you should do that to as they have now found out.

There has been far too much anti-Russia (reds under the beds) talk going on in recent years when we had achieved an economic and political equilibrium with Russia, you prod the bear and the bear will lash out.

Western leaders do not like peace, war makes it easier to keep the serfs in their place.

And we have an idiot that fantasises he is Winston Churchill in charge of us, be prepared for us to go to war per usual.



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But surely countries should hold the choice of whether they want to join NATO or to be allied to Russia, after the collapse of the USSR, I noticed there wasn't a clamour to stay allied with Russia, look at Putins rhetoric, mother Russia all countries (former USSR) are Russian, or so he believes, he is beginning to act and sound like another dictator that wanted control of Europe.

He will overun Ukraine eventually, but at what cost, lives on both sides, destroyed infrastructure and the stench of a pariah state label stuck to it, I believe most Russians don't want this, the longer Ukraine hangs on the more ruthless the Russians will become, armed civilians no doubt will be executed as terrorists or any other excuse they care to use.

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DD is quite correct.

Nato has had no real role since the end of the USSR. It is largely paid for by the US which sees it as a useful way of extending their power into Europe under the pretence of being part of an international alliance. No wonder Russia is getting twitchy!

America is the most aggressive country in the world by a huge margin and has been at war (with much weaker nations) for 95% of its existence. The whole American economy profits from these wars in other places, and they have, by continual provocation managed to turn Russia into the USSR again which they can defend us against.

The one thing Trump said with which I agreed entirely was that Nato should be abolished. It is now causing far more trouble than it's worth. Even an idiot gets it right occasionally.

America would be far better concentrating on its own internal social problems before it finds itself plunged into a civil war.

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It's ok ... America has Area flippin 51 and Elon musk has positioned starlink to do Christ know what ...with or without Haarp, Cern and a bunch of sick megalomaniacal politicians acting like naughty rich boys

Makes me sick .... grr
Bikini tryon hauls and kitten videos for the rest of the day lol

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So lets get this straight if Nato never existed, what would happen now? would Putin continue to recover the old USSR maybe roll into East Germany rebuild the wall, just asking because Putin seems to think all these countries belongs to mother Russia, come on you've got to admit the guy appears to be irrational, he even looks a bit blank, and that table he sits at is definitely a Billy no mates table.

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This is so scary. Putin is one of many where power has gone to his head. Meglomaniac!
His threats of nuclear weapons is chilling but I hope that’s all they are scare tactics.
My hope is that his own people and armed forces see that he is deranged and rise up against him, he needs to go but hopefully not be replaced by someone just as bad as him!
Why can’t we all just try and live as best a life without all these damn wars! Thought the COVID virus had been a scare to humanity but no still they want to destroy this planet and I think one day one of these man made threats will do it.

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Originally Posted by cools
This is so scary. Putin is one of many where power has gone to his head. Meglomaniac!


Are you getting mixed up with America?

America has dropped 326,000 bombs and missiles on other countries since 2001, How dare they think they can police the world with their own appalling human rights record?

Russia has quite rightly objected to the number of American military bases and exercises around its borders as well as other Nato exercises. The UK wouldn't put up with another country threatening us like that, why should Russia?

If Russia did to America a tenth of what America has done to Russia you can guarantee the Americans would have responded with force. Its all right for one but not the other?


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Well I know whose side I’m on and it ain’t madman Vlad!

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The only "winners" are those who make a lot of money out this conflict, everybody else loses, some more than others.

Listening to the propaganda that Putin is mad is how we end up in these messes, he is a master strategist, do you really think he has not thought this through?.

Here is a map of American military exercises in 2017, note the lack of activity in Western Europe and the concentration of activity in Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania.

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So over the last few years our weather has been getting worse and worse, thought-out the World not just here, Wild Fires, Floods, Famine, Earthquakes etc etc
We then have World Leader trying to get to grips with the Globe Warming, stop coal burning, plant more trees, buy electric cars etc
Next comes Covid 19 millions around the World infected millions dead, we get a vaccine!
Now we could be heading in to a Nuclear War wiping us out for good!
Do you think God is trying to tell us something?

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I think America is gagging for a nice little war in Europe, a safe distance from home, where they can pretend to defend one side from the other.

In fact they have fomented this conflict, something they do all over the world. Their whole economy depends on having wars as more than half their federal budget goes on Arms. It is a HUGE employer and they have to create sales opportunities to keep it going.

On odd occasions, such as when their victims mount an attack on them, such as the attack on NYC, they howl like stuck pigs and expect the whole world to sympathise with them.

They need to get out of Europe and stay out.

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Originally Posted by keef666
We then have World Leader trying to get to grips with the Globe Warming, stop coal burning, plant more trees, buy electric cars etc


Its almost 100% political noise.

Transferring UK coal burning industries (ie heavy industry) to other countries who burn the coal "for us" does not reduce global coal burning. Global coal burning continues to increase.

Transferring UK wood sources abroad is also obvious nonsense, we should be growing and using our own trees instead of importing wood and wood products in massive quantities. Ticking a box to say our woodland is increasing is damaging to the environment.

Also note that most of UK wood stock is in Scotland where it grows slowest and absorbs less CO2.

After the huge strategic mistake of Europe being dependent on Russian gas, we are going headlong into depending on China for Lithium. That is why we should be looking at Hydrogen or other energy storage mediums instead of rare minerals that we do not have.


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