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Black lives matter protests #1078050
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These protests are getting out of hand. We knew there would be some agitators amongst them and this was bound to happen.
I understand the movement but when the peace is broken it can very quickly turn into a riot.
Attacking the police is not on, what else can they do? They're between a rock and a hard place and what happened in London is disgusting.

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I think any large protest, however worthy the aim, is likely to attract a small number who are just out to cause trouble, throw things, damage things etc. They show a complete lack of respect. The acts they commit taint and devalue the cause which they claim to support - but of course that's what gets the headlines. Some protests were well run, well behaved, well distanced, and powerful. Some of the others - well, don't get me started on the complete lack of social distancing in some places!

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They are wanting the statue of Cecil Rhodes removed from Oxford University now and probably a few more besides. This is not 'Black Lives Matter' . Obliterate the memory of the salve trade if they wish, but it won't help the situation today.

I do find it rather odd that these trouble makers causing criminal damage, throwing bricks and bicycles, breaking the nose of a horse, throwing fireworks and bottles , creating unrest within civil society, injuring policemen, are referred to as 'thugs'.

The same type of people were and still are referred to as 'Freedom Fighters' in Syria, by the West ! Supported by the West and financed, trained and protected by the West, including the UK.


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Re: Black lives matter protests [Re: mikeeb] #1078059
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As I saw stated elsewhere .... if they found their houses were built with slave-trade related proceeds, would they wouldn't knock them down. Its always easier to destroy other people's property.

I hope prosecutions come out of this.

I'm not quite sure what any of these protests in this country are hoping to achieve, what is their objective, what outcome do they want?

To the Government its a welcome distraction away from their poor handling of CV-19 and will also be a handy excuse if we have an early second wave.


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So they pull a statue down of a slave trader, because it offends them, so when there tribes sold them to the Europeans and took them to their own countries to use as slaves,[ something man has done since the dawn of time!] and over the years they were freed, and in time then became Rap stars, Actors, Generals and other high ranks, CEO'S of the boards, Singers, Writers,Comedians , Millionaires etc etc would they still have that if they had been left alone?

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Originally Posted by keef666
So they pull a statue down of a slave trader, because it offends them, so when there tribes sold them to the Europeans and took them to their own countries to use as slaves,[ something man has done since the dawn of time!] and over the years they were freed, and in time then became Rap stars, Actors, Generals and other high ranks, CEO'S of the boards, Singers, Writers,Comedians , Millionaires etc etc would they still have that if they had been left alone?


Nah, I don't think that argument works. If we hadn't of interfered they may have progressed faster than us.


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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
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So they pull a statue down of a slave trader, because it offends them, so when there tribes sold them to the Europeans and took them to their own countries to use as slaves,[ something man has done since the dawn of time!] and over the years they were freed, and in time then became Rap stars, Actors, Generals and other high ranks, CEO'S of the boards, Singers, Writers,Comedians , Millionaires etc etc would they still have that if they had been left alone?


Nah, I don't think that argument works. If we hadn't of interfered they may have progressed faster than us.


The Egyptians certainly progressed faster than we did, and taught us a great deal, but it was also a land of enslavement for the Hebrews !!

Nigeria were trading across the Middle East and Africa 1100 BC.

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Noticed they targeted Sir Winston Churchill with Graffiti i wonder how they would fair under the Gestapo and SS if we had a lesser man as PM in 1940 believe they might not even Exist if Hitler got his 1000 year Reich.

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Originally Posted by keef666
So they pull a statue down of a slave trader, because it offends them, so when there tribes sold them to the Europeans and took them to their own countries to use as slaves,[ something man has done since the dawn of time!] and over the years they were freed, and in time then became Rap stars, Actors, Generals and other high ranks, CEO'S of the boards, Singers, Writers,Comedians , Millionaires etc etc would they still have that if they had been left alone?


I'm sure it wasn't intended but that could be read as a white supremacy statement ....

"Where would you blacks be if us whites hadn't whipped you into shape"

Take care.


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Apparently saying all lives matter is racist remark made by people who don't fully understand what it's like to be black, so saying all human beings are equal is racist?

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Looks like once again we are about to be gagged into silence. It's happened before with Israeli's and the Jews, now it will happen over Blacks , Africans, and Asians, but they will be allowed to continue their racist remarks that the likes of Diane Abbott and others blurt out, and Muslims will be protected from hate speech, illegal migrants allowed to reap all the rewards.

Where does that leave us ? Christians , and not necessarily white Christians : Does anyone raise this issue ?

Annual report January 2020, states there are 260 million Christians being persecuted world wide. An increase of 6% on last year.
Although those figures are connected to physical persecution , there is also persecution of other types too, including online persecution.
Just saying !


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History is History and taking down statues doesn't change it. If you think about it, there will be hardly any statues left if this continues.
It was a thing of the past that was acceptable back then and should not be forgotten.

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To the Government its a welcome distraction away from their poor handling of CV-19 and will also be a handy excuse if we have an early second wave.[/quote]

My thoughts exactly DD,the usual Tory tactic point the finger at someone else, I think the early easing of lockdown had that factor in mind, if a second wave should come.

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Just been reading some remarks and advice on twitter re BLM ,apparently the mounted police have charged children with their horses, arrested 12 and 16 year old's, purposely kept people kettled until public transport had stopped, they are giving advice to those arrested not to cooperate with police, so much for peaceful protest, I can see this escalating now the fuse has been lit and those with a personal axe to grind taking advantage, anyone remember PC Blakelock?

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Originally Posted by Casper
I can see this escalating now the fuse has been lit and those with a personal axe to grind taking advantage

Coudn't agree more. I feel sorry for the police, they are bolloxed no matter what they do. If they intervene they are attacked, if they do nothing they are criticised for doing nothing, they are in a no win situation.

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