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Re: Coronavirus [Re: cools] #1077982
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Another 357 deaths (minimum), r number in the Northwest is above one, but we'll go ahead and reduce lockdown.

@mikeeb The UK performance has been appalling compared to other countries, the UK Government has consistently done its own thing rather than listen to experience. It was novel in China, it was novel in Italy, it was no longer novel situation when it hit the UK.

There is absolutely no reason why Chemotherapy has been stopped, that is yet another thing they are doing wrong.


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I think we'll be getting put back into lockdown, all those beach scenes , New Brighton , Formby didn't help I expect. God I'm so wishing for a vaccine for this awful virus or to burn itself out and just get lost.

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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper


There is absolutely no reason why Chemotherapy has been stopped, that is yet another thing they are doing wrong.



Considering chemotherapy kills off any immunity to disease and infections, maybe that is a good enough reason . Just a thought. There are also various ways in which to administer chemotherapy for different cancers, and for those hospitalised on a drip 24/7 for a week, then I would have thought it a dangerous place to put anyone suffering from cancer.


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Originally Posted by cools
I think we'll be getting put back into lockdown, all those beach scenes , New Brighton , Formby didn't help I expect. God I'm so wishing for a vaccine for this awful virus or to burn itself out and just get lost.


I do think that England, Scotland and Wales should have followed the same paths at the same time . For those who no longer listen to the news , they must think the same rules apply to the whole of the UK or else they are just putting two fingers up to institution, Government and authorities.. fairly typical of the anarchists in society that we have now.

The public are as much to blame as anyone, with unnecessary protests etc. Even Corbyn's brother was arrested twice in a fortnight at anti- lockdown protests in May.

https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2020...4cN3VALBHgPk2ekyWymWz4qEbm6mSRsTQA_f33MU

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Originally Posted by granny
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There is absolutely no reason why Chemotherapy has been stopped, that is yet another thing they are doing wrong.



Considering chemotherapy kills off any immunity to disease and infections, maybe that is a good enough reason . Just a thought. There are also various ways in which to administer chemotherapy for different cancers, and for those hospitalised on a drip 24/7 for a week, then I would have thought it a dangerous place to put anyone suffering from cancer.


If they had gone ahead with the NHS Nightingales it wouldn't have been a problem. We've used isolation hospitals many times in the past.


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Originally Posted by granny
I do think that England, Scotland and Wales should have followed the same paths at the same time.


Quite the opposite, the lockdown levels should have been more localised, we are currently lifting lockdown across the whole of England based on average figures when the Northwest has an r number of greater than one. That is putting us in the Northwest at higher risk and increaing the chance of it creating second wave in other parts of the country where the r number has dropped.


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There is absolutely no reason why Chemotherapy has been stopped, that is yet another thing they are doing wrong.



Considering chemotherapy kills off any immunity to disease and infections, maybe that is a good enough reason . Just a thought. There are also various ways in which to administer chemotherapy for different cancers, and for those hospitalised on a drip 24/7 for a week, then I would have thought it a dangerous place to put anyone suffering from cancer.


If they had gone ahead with the NHS Nightingales it wouldn't have been a problem. We've used isolation hospitals many times in the past.


Nonsense, DD.

No point in starting chemo, if they needed radiotherapy too, which most do .The two go hand in hand . Have you seen the radiotherapy waiting rooms at Clatterbridge ?


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I'm at a loss as to why . for example , Russia more or less followed the same guidelines as we have , virtually the same timetable as we have.

Russia has suffered 449,834 covid 19 cases, with 5,528 deaths

UK has suffered 283,311 covid 19 cases with 40,261 deaths.


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Originally Posted by granny
Originally Posted by cools
I think we'll be getting put back into lockdown, all those beach scenes , New Brighton , Formby didn't help I expect. God I'm so wishing for a vaccine for this awful virus or to burn itself out and just get lost.


I do think that England, Scotland and Wales should have followed the same paths at the same time . For those who no longer listen to the news , they must think the same rules apply to the whole of the UK or else they are just putting two fingers up to institution, Government and authorities.. fairly typical of the anarchists in society that we have now.

The public are as much to blame as anyone, with unnecessary protests etc. Even Corbyn's brother was arrested twice in a fortnight at anti- lockdown protests in May.

https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2020...4cN3VALBHgPk2ekyWymWz4qEbm6mSRsTQA_f33MU

Police in the Brecon Beacons turned away more than 1,000 cars last weekend as tourists from as far away as London and the Midlands flocked to beauty spots despite lockdown restrictions.


Yes you are right again granny, the public are as much to blame, that is a consequence of having a system with no controls in place plus information coming from government that paints a picture of things getting better and returning to normal, which in turn affects the way people think, putting two fingers up to institution authority and government, a government that has failed to get a grip on this crisis from day one but is now advocating a return to some normality, they have got it wrong up to now, so why should we believe them ?

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I think we'll be getting put back into lockdown, all those beach scenes , New Brighton , Formby didn't help I expect. God I'm so wishing for a vaccine for this awful virus or to burn itself out and just get lost.


I do think that England, Scotland and Wales should have followed the same paths at the same time . For those who no longer listen to the news , they must think the same rules apply to the whole of the UK or else they are just putting two fingers up to institution, Government and authorities.. fairly typical of the anarchists in society that we have now.

The public are as much to blame as anyone, with unnecessary protests etc. Even Corbyn's brother was arrested twice in a fortnight at anti- lockdown protests in May.

https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2020...4cN3VALBHgPk2ekyWymWz4qEbm6mSRsTQA_f33MU

Police in the Brecon Beacons turned away more than 1,000 cars last weekend as tourists from as far away as London and the Midlands flocked to beauty spots despite lockdown restrictions.


Yes you are right again granny, the public are as much to blame, that is a consequence of having a system with no controls in place plus information coming from government that paints a picture of things getting better and returning to normal, which in turn affects the way people think, putting two fingers up to institution authority and government, a government that has failed to get a grip on this crisis from day one but is now advocating a return to some normality, they have got it wrong up to now, so why should we believe them ?


Clearly you are giving the public the backing . Well done . You still haven't come up with any suggestions as to what you consider to have been the best form of attack or defence against this virus.

Today: WHO have changed their guidance, from saying face masks would encourage a false sense of security, depriving medics of much needed PPE. to saying new evidence has emerged and face coverings should be worn by the general public and anyone over 60yrs with underlying medical issues should wear medical grade masks !

Obviously WHO is a waste of space, and maybe Trump has got it right.

I am pleased you are backing the 'Black Lives Matter' protests today , it's a pretty important message to get out don't you think , despite the health risks and defiance of the warnings given ?


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Surely theirs a better way to protest than crowding together in their thousands at this time, during a pandemic
We'll never get rid of this damn virus with actions like this. NHS will get swamped , how much is spreading around again now...

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Today: WHO have changed their guidance, from saying face masks would encourage a false sense of security, depriving medics of much needed PPE. to saying new evidence has emerged and face coverings should be worn by the general public and anyone over 60yrs with underlying medical issues should wear medical grade masks !

Obviously WHO is a waste of space, and maybe Trump has got it right.

I am pleased you are backing the 'Black Lives Matter' protests today , it's a pretty important message to get out don't you think , despite the health risks and defiance of the warnings given ?

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You're being a very naughty granny again, where did I mention I was supporting/ attending the black lives matter protest? maybe you have misunderstood my post, the gist being if you give people free range to decide which part of the information or instruction they decide to follow they will interpret it in their own manner ie; which ever version suits them best, we have groups that are saying its all about state control it's a cull on the population, blah blah blah, groups getting together a bit of weed a smell of a beer can and the fuse is lit, anyway to put things plain and simple no I do not support gatherings, yes I do support the wearing of face coverings always have, if fact anything that will help ease this awful virus even by a small % as apparently now I have become high risk because of diabetes, another afterthought.

Why is WHO a waste of space because they changed their minds? if that's the case what does that make this government?

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Originally Posted by granny
No point in starting chemo, if they needed radiotherapy too, which most do .The two go hand in hand . Have you seen the radiotherapy waiting rooms at Clatterbridge ?

I have seen the radiotherapy waiting rooms in Clatterbridge every day for 6 weeks (Mon to Fri) and they could easily be halved, if not more, with planning. Virtually every patient had a companion or 2 with them. Now my brothers radiotherapy has finished he is taking chemo in tablet form and everytime we go up Clatterbridge vurtually everyones companion has stayed in the car, so it is easy to limit the number of people in there.

What I don't like is that other illnesses have been put on the back burner or just forgotten about. People couldn't even have a face to face with the doctor and were too scared to go the hospital, no doubt thinking it was a trivial illness but that could have easily turned out worse than thought.

I reckon most of us have had this virus and not even known about it and believe it is the right time to ease the lockdown. If we didn't, this virus will never go away.

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Originally Posted by granny
Nonsense, DD.

No point in starting chemo, if they needed radiotherapy too, which most do .The two go hand in hand . Have you seen the radiotherapy waiting rooms at Clatterbridge ?


You must have known that was a generalism that was going to come back and bite you.

Many people are given the choice of radiotherapy, chemotherapy and surgery or whatever combination suits. Chemotherapy can delay/slow the cancer growth regardless of other treatments.

Colon cancer is hardly ever treated with radiotherapy but is treated with chemo. Most gastrointestinal cancers are treated more with chemo than radio apart from the mouth and throat.

Ovarian cancel is also rarely treated with radio but often treated with chemo.

Basically the deeper inside the body, the less chance radiotherapy is used.

Then there is the issue of those that are either waiting for chemotherapy or had already started.

One minute they are telling you that every day matters, the next many people have been thrown under the bus for months on end.


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As I said previously every treatment for cancer can be different .

However, when I had cancer, the radiotherapy rooms worked from approx. 8.30 am to 6pm daily with patients being seen approx. every 10 to 15 minutes. 5 Radiotherapy units and there might have been more.
I attended every day for 5 weeks, a week either side for chemo and another week for morphine which cannot be prescribed at home.

So if they had taken on new cancer patients for treatment, I can't see that additional treatment as part of the cure could have been administered had the patients been placed in Nightingale units, as you suggested.

Without the needed radiotherapy, the chemo would have been useless, and not only that many people would have had to make their own way by public transport for the radiotherapy and subjected themselves to other infections due to the lack of immunity, which is not only whilst the treatment lasts but can continue for months afterwards.

Brain tumours, breast cancer, bowel cancer, lung cancer there are many types of cancer which do require chemo and radioT.
Then there is the reaction of chemo. Imagine having that and at the same time trying to stave off Covid 19.

This is what annoys me, when people make outlandish claims because it backs up their own personal opinion and anti institutional ideals., without knowing what actually goes on .

Considering those doctors and consultants are so specialist in their area, committed and caring, do you really think they would have not given the best insight of the best course of action to take in a bad situation ?


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