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Election 2019 #1072858
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Well, someone had to raise it !!


Why.. ? Because this new agenda of climate change and what all the parties are about to commit to in their 'manifesto' for resolving the problem, isn't their idea anyway. What a joke . If we stay in the EU we have to do it anyway, as already decreed by the EU 2030 Strategy.
We in UK have already made significant contributions towards changes in respect of technological changes, recycling etc.

https://ec.europa.eu/clima/policies/strategies/2030_en

It's also about time that ' liars' stopped referring to other politicians as ' liars.'
They are all a disgrace, and the NHS is like a bloody broken record with Labour. Stay in the EU and we'll have to pay for the privilage anyway through 'health insurance' . just like the French, Germans and all the others once health (like everything else) it's integrated Europe wide.

https://transferwise.com/gb/blog/healthcare-system-in-france

And maybe one reason we have the NHS in crisis is because all the EU nationals and others who came and got treatment were waved through the hospital receptions without needing to be checked., .. as one person says.. 'that's not our job' ! So therefore, no reimbursement from their own Governments !

In Germany they pay 7.5 % of the monthly pay for healthcare, if self employed 15% a month . Don't know how that compares now to our contributions to National Insurance which also covers other things apart from health. .

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Apparently the biggest cost to NHS is us older people. Some estimates reckon 40% is spent on over 65s. Falls alone cost 17billion.

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Strange that, Salmon. Is that why we didn't hear about the failing NHS when the 'Liverpool pathway' was operational ? laugh

Haven't heard anything positive for pensioners in this election... in fact haven't heard us or the word mentioned at all .


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Nobody lies like Boris lies! It's all very well trying to pretend they're all the same but Boris lies as he breathes! I don't believe Corbyn does.

Anyway, it would appear that the country is less impressed by our egregious PM than the Conservative ladies who think he can do no wrong. A BMG poll this evening showed the tory lead falling from 13% to 6%. Well into hung parliament territory. It could be an outrider of course. But a number of other polls show Labour making progress and the tories falling back.

Who knows. I don't have a crystal ball but we say a similar pattern in the last election when a 20% leads was converted into a near defeat. And Mrs May was plausible material for a PM. Boris is fit only for a TV chat show where I'm sure he would be quite amusing for a while anyway.

Personally, I like the idea of a 'leader' who says. "It's up to you, not me. It's your country. !" It makea a pleasant change from people like Farage, Swinson, and Boris, perpetually bawling in your ear telling you what you should do. Yeats' 'Second Coming' comes to mind

"The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity."

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Same words, with same meaning as the other post I made.


Well I hope Labour are elected this time, because I couldn't give a shit any longer. Why should I consider the country when everyone else considers their pocket ?
I won't be voting Labour but I'll join the ranks of 'self ' and see where it gets us in the next 5 yrs. Let's see who the next lot of liars are, Tony Blair was a hard act to follow, but I'm sure McDonnell could do better, and wiping Corbyn's his arse all the way to the dispatch box.


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Voting this time is the simplest ever, either have Boris and another thieving Tory government in power which again will put the country into loads more debt without anything to show for it, or vote Labour.

Even if Corbyn only achieves a quarter of what he strides for it is a damn site more than the Tories have done for us.

I don't agree with Corbyn on everything especially Brexit but I acknowledge that Brexit (as I want it) is not going to happen never mind who is going to be in power.

I don't understand Corbyn's target of fibre-to-the-premises (fttp), it would be far cheaper to have fibre-to-the-cabinet (fttc)for the majority of the population which gives more than adequate speed without the heavy cost and mess of installing fttp.

The replacement of all gas boilers (at home owners expense through interest free loan) has got some sound reasoning but could go drastically wrong. With so much focus on electricity (including e-cars) the whole national grid and local electricity infrastructure may need updating.

NHS and community care - of course he is right.
Social security - of course he is right.
Minimum wage - of course he is right.
Nationalising critical infrastructure - of course he is right.
Stop warmongering - of course he is right.
Free school dinners - of course he is right.
Early start centres - of course he is right.
Stop pension age rises - of course he is right.
etc etc

In comparison the Tory manifesto largely doesn't even put right the wrongs they have made nor the failed promises and you can guarantee the rich will carry on getting richer at the expense of the many.


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Boris likes to dish it out, drunken working class feckless mothers, picinnies, bum boys letter box Muslims, but when his words come back to bite him,he denies them, taken out of context etc, yet he is a master of misinterpretation he thinks a few quips and a shake of his head deletes them all, if people are prepared to vote for him knowing how he views the working class ( weren't we told there is no class system now) the contempt he shows for them, then they deserve him, I am not a fan of Corbyn but he appears more genuine than Boris.

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Venezuela : One of the richest countries in the world,..

Destroyed in 10 yrs by Socialism !!

Corbyn loves the SA countries.. visited most in the 60's and would live in Bolivia in he could choose (one of the poorest countries on earth) would like to see the same policies here in UK.

1960's ??? He's an old man stuck in a time warp, and people can pump out all the rhetoric but it makes no difference to the man and his followers they will see you doomed .

How is it that people who work hard and rise in the social stakes get ridiculed as toffs, rich, snobs, public school boys , spoilt brats etc. etc. ? Obviously it all comes down to who has what, and nothing to do with the stability of a country.. Which is what I posted in the previous post. 'Self ' 'self' 'self' ,' me' 'me' 'me' .
Hard work pays , but not if you get rich from it apparently, give it all back to the state.

Oh yes, Corbyn, raised in a very lucrative home and environment..Family changed the name of his home to 'House' from 'Manor' ... seemed to fit better with the agenda.

McDonnell, went to a private fee paying school.. Wanted to become a Priest !

Abbott ( along with so many others) sent her son to a private fee paying school , but the minimum wage Labour introduced, is good enough for everyone else. All that did was bring down wages, and companies were given the opportunity to made a killing. and distribute the profits in 'bonuses' !

Double standards all the way with Labour and their supporters, and half of them this time around are Marxist. . I don't want to be associated with Marxists, Communists, or any other brand of extreme socialism.

Long live SOCIALISM.. for those who can't see what lies in store for their grandchildren.

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Fully agree with all you say Granny , he lives in a fantasy world!! All he wants to do is rob from the rich and give to the poor, a good idea if you're Robin Hood which is really just a myth!
So his ideas would drive all the richer people who have businesses which give employment to folk all away to start off in other countries so putting more people on the dole which would have less tax being paid to pay benefits..and all this money he's promising to everyone , where is it coming from???
Not fully with Boris but never in a million years vote for Corbyn!!

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Well put ,Cools. Jus like Robin Hood , Corbyn policies are a myth too.

I don't know who I'm with. I see EU are having discussion about how they can make the EU more diplomatic. Haha !

They never will whilst they have the 'old school ' from the Eastern Block of countries sitting in positions of command and those whose countries were governed by Mussolini, Franco, Hitler, the Military in Greece, Communists in Poland, East Germany ,Slovakia, Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, and many more, .. in the EU Parliament. None of them have ever know true democracy, through their lifetimes.


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Originally Posted by granny
Venezuela : One of the richest countries in the world,..

Destroyed in 10 yrs by Socialism !!


And sneaky underhand tactics by the USA has had nothing to do with their downfall?

Originally Posted by granny
How is it that people who work hard and rise in the social stakes get ridiculed as toffs, rich, snobs, public school boys , spoilt brats etc. etc. ?


Not at all but can you answer this, nobody works much harder than manual labourers, how can you say some is worth 150 times more than a binman, in most cases it is not harder work it is taking higher risks and usually not with their own money.

Originally Posted by granny
Oh yes, Corbyn, raised in a very lucrative home and environment..Family changed the name of his home to 'House' from 'Manor' ... seemed to fit better with the agenda.

McDonnell, went to a private fee paying school.. Wanted to become a Priest !


Isn't that saying the opposite of your previous argument?

Originally Posted by granny
but the minimum wage Labour introduced, is good enough for everyone else. All that did was bring down wages, and companies were given the opportunity to made a killing. and distribute the profits in 'bonuses' !


So you think its ok for people to be paid less than what is currently minimum wage? Believe me, there are plenty of organisations already doing that and they would do it even more if it was legal.


Originally Posted by granny
Double standards all the way with Labour and their supporters, and half of them this time around are Marxist.


Marxism is a measurement technique, how can an analysis be so bad? What is wrong with Marxism?

Originally Posted by granny
Long live SOCIALISM.. for those who can't see what lies in store for their grandchildren.


Yep, lets get rid of the NHS altogether along with all other forms of social support, disabled support, free education, state pensions etc etc, if you want it you will have to pay for it, if you can't afford it then tough you will have to do without or die. Nothing wrong with capitalism, money is king!

Why not go the whole hog and bring back slavery? There would be plenty of Tory support for that.

Socialism is about basic morality, the belief that every person has the right to a decent life, how can that be wrong????


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Originally Posted by cools
Fully agree with all you say Granny , he lives in a fantasy world!! All he wants to do is rob from the rich and give to the poor, a good idea if you're Robin Hood which is really just a myth!
So his ideas would drive all the richer people who have businesses which give employment to folk all away to start off in other countries so putting more people on the dole which would have less tax being paid to pay benefits..and all this money he's promising to everyone , where is it coming from???
Not fully with Boris but never in a million years vote for Corbyn!!



But its ok for the rich to rob from the poor like happens now????

Every penny one person obtains is a penny taken off somebody else. When an individual has a billion pounds, that is a billion pounds taken off other people. or as an equivalence it is the annual salary of over 70,000 people on minimum wage or as another equivalence around the total lifetime income of around 1500 people on minimum wage (figures very approximate).

If they want to rob money off us, let them go abroad and rob off someone else. If they still want to carry on the business of robbing this country while abroad, fine, we will tax them here whether they like it or not.

You do realise that billionaires and million+ earners pay less percentage tax than the majority of the population. I help with the accounts for a small business, they are paying around 20% tax overall when their net income (in their pocket) is around £17,000, gross income is around £25,000 (yes I know that is not 20%, they only get tax relief on consumables they don't get them free). There are many rich people paying less than 10% overall tax.

The Tories have borrowed £80bn a year extra plus the savings from austerity measures plus money from asset-stripping the nation, they have spent loads of OUR money, far more than any other Government, but they gave it to the rich and took off the poor. Corbyn will probably spend less money (as every Labour Government has) but instead of giving massive sums to the rich he is going to spend it for the good of the country. In a lot of cases his "spending" isn't really spending, it is purchasing assets, that way he has something to show for the money, the Tories have spent the money and asset-stripped the nation at the same time, they have robbed us!


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Double standards all the way with Labour and their supporters, and half of them this time around are Marxist. . I don't want to be associated with Marxists, Communists, or any other brand of extreme socialism.

Long live SOCIALISM.. for those who can't see what lies in store for their grandchildren. [/quote]

You could say the same about extremists in the Tory party a good sprinkling of fascists abound along with their pals in the Brexit party, remember poor old Harold Wilson communist spy, traitor ready to turn us all over to the Russians, now Corbyns a threat to the security of this country, History repeating itself ? I

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Marxism
Militant Tendency
Militant

All begin with M, therefore Momentum are the same as above, obv init!

Well I hate to point out that using the same logic Tories must be Trotskyites.


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Insults are engendered from vulgar minds, like toadstools from a dunghill - Charles Caleb Colton

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