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granny although I agree obviously this crime has been planned professionally -- why would we presume the end delivery was by a professional ? Isnt it possible that the actual deed may have been performed by the professional's meathead stooge who simply didnt follow instructions to the letter because he didnt fully understand the complexities of what he was dealing with ?

I doubt whether it was a professional hitman or spetznaz, anyone with a modicum of sense wouldn't want to be involved with a nerve agent, further more if by any outside chance they had been caught they might have shown a direct link back to Russia, links to the underworld Russian mafia is more likely, a knuckle dragger ( go and wipe that on a door handle Ivan okay duh), also as good fortune would have it for the Russians this has happened in the vicinity of Porton Down thus a red herring has been introduced into the equation.

Nobody would trust a knuckle dragger with their nerve agent, it would be like sending Theresa May on the first Mars mission - while there would be obvious benefits the mission would be doomed to failure.

Well it hasn't exactly been a roaring success has it DD? whoever did it failed to keep contamination levels to ground zero, and if, I say if they discarded a contaminated container / syringe then it begins to look like a bungled effort unlike the umbrella job or the later poisoning that were delivered with a certain amount of professionalism.

Sorry meant to say sending May to Mars would be a benefit, well not for the Martians, but she does appear to live on a different planet.

That's the nature of nerve agents, they are extremely difficult to contain and there will always be a high risk of collateral damage.

On the other hand, one of the current couple could have been the administrators of the Skripal poisoning and had been storing the container/remains or whatever then decided to dispose of it recently and got contaminated in the process.

But the reality is still that Russia is way down the list of being involved in this, there was no significant benefit to them, there has/could have been significant advantages to other Governments or even organisations.

...and that is why my suspicions are yet again raised to the authenticity of this. One of my previous comments referred to Syria, as we tap away, 8 hrs ago, Israel bombed Syrian Army positions on the 'occupied' Golan Heights . We as a country could not engaged in any sort of combat with an ally, likewise, Russia has now been made out to be the enemy.
Reason for Israel attacks is; they are worried about the collapse of the terrorist front in Golan. Terrorists that they have supported ( and given medical assistance under the banner of being 'humanitarian' over the last 7yrs) , with the backing of the west and others. USA , UK, France, Saudi, Bahrain, Jordan, and possibly Turkey. Not sure what Turkey's roll really is. The terrorists have been supported with finance, cars to include number plates from Jordan Saudi ,UAE, Bahrain. . UK support by £millions into the White Helmets, (alliance with terrorist groups) ,and FSA and Al Quaeda or Al Nusra with tanks, drones, israeli and US weapons, hidden medical supplies , resources, and chemicals. How have all those things managed to reach these terrorists in a country without crossing borders. ? and why haven't the west tried to stop it ? They have reached Syria by either going through Turkey, Iraq, Jordan or Israel.
Let's see what happens after Trumps visit. Everything seems to have a timeline these days !

Never mind what goes on in the world, money will always keep flowing, trades will be done.

So Dawn has died, sadly. Probably not enough strength to fight it, considering her life style. Very sad, but rather expected.

Sad poor lass.. left 3 kids as well..we need answers..
wondering what alleged item they both have touched that no one else has touched.? assuming its the same item and of course assuming its so called novichok .

is it just me or does Dawn have the look of a Russian Bond villain the one with the daggers in her shoes...maybe not

Novichok is reported to be 5–8 times more lethal than VX nerve agent and effects are rapid, usually within 30 seconds to 2 minutes. Symptoms are the same as those of other nerve agents Local effects are thought to be immediate, while systemic effects may be delayed up to 18 hours Could one assume the item they touched was fairly close to them and they should have been fairly close to each other when they became ill?

sorry edit timed out

.... report said she collapsed at a flat. so contaminated item could be in the flat yet police say still looking for it..

mail online report says they picked up a contaminated vial at a known drug "den" in Park in salisbury...which was found in his flat. So they picked it up and walked/drove home?

Sun timeline suggests they were in the park on the friday. Dawn rushed to hospital from his flat at 10:15am Sat Morning. Her partner (instead of going hospital with her then goes Boots and a Baptist church and returns home at 3pm before being hospitalised at 6:30pm. strange

If drug addicts as has been said. He could have seen Dawn become ill from a drug injection and fearing needle contamination went boots for clean syringe( Baptist visit seems bit random unless to score or pay.. He then goes home and shoots up himself with same stuff as his partner did. All pure speculation.......for my new novel...

If effects could have been delayed up to 18hrs, that could maybe put the charity shop into the picture. Some discarded, contaminated clothing , possibly previously obtained from a charity shop so the ownership is never known , and returned to another charity shop afterwards.

Even worse for her family is, she probably won't be allowed a funeral due to scientific research and all that.

would be interesting to know what they bought at chemists..might be a clue as to what they knew if anything.

you couldnt make this up could you? Apparently the Novichock was found in a small bottle of perfume by "Charlie"


The nerve agent that poisoned two people in Amesbury was contained in a perfume bottle, the brother of one of the victims has said.

Matthew Rowley said his brother Charlie, who is seriously ill in hospital, told him he had picked up the perfume bottle.

The Metropolitan Police, which is leading the investigation, refused to confirm the claim.

Previously the force has said only that it was found in a "small bottle".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44839805