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Another 250 jobs to go at Vauxhalls #1051111
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On top of the 400 announced last October.

Pretty obviously the company is moving out of the UK and into France, but doing it by Salami slices so nobody will notice.

Would this be the B***it effect I wonder?

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Would this be the B***it effect I wonder?
The answer is no! four hundred jobs to cut a shift out was never going to be a final figure. Why they decided to announce the figures this way, I have no idea.They are pretty thick salami slices if that's the way you see it. Vauxhall have gone from three to one shift before for no other reason than market trends.Peoples livelihoods are on the line here and should not be used for puerile speculation to bolster the myth that Brexit is the cause of all the countries ills.

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Every company that decides to leave the UK simply because the majority of the country democratically voted to go back to making our own laws, and being represented and governed by people that we've VOTED for, instead of self-elected, bureaucratic MEP's, (each one costing the tax payer 3 times as much as an MP!) should have their goods slapped with customs duties when it comes into this country!

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It's not leaving because the majority voted for brexit. It's leaving because brexit is a crappy deal for Vauxhall. They will have to pay to move product to Europe if we end up with no deal. Only a fool would not move production out to Europe under such an arrangement. It might not happen, but staying is a gamble and companies always seek to minimise risk.

I am very sorry indeed for the people who work at Vauxhall, but this is exactly the sort of thing that was predicted in 'project fear' and protecting their jobs was to me a lot more important than sovereignty or taking back control which was why I voted to remain. It will not be the end either. I am afraid that the factory is doomed unless we remain in the customs union.


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USA has put a lot of financial and political pressure on American companies operating factories abroad.

Demand for cars has gone down recently.


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On top of the 650 job losses at the factory there are a number of losses in the supply chain also so final number will be many more. If and when second shift resumes they will probably be temporary, so they can be used as and when needed.

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I think Vauxhall is owned by a French Company, but really it's irrelevant who owns it. The logic of business is universal. It it's more profitable elsewhere - that's where it goes.

I believe the government in a state of panic agreed to pay the tariffs on exports into Europe from Nissan in the hope of keeping them here, but that will come out of the tax you pay. Can they afford to do this on all exports from the UK into the EU?

Ask, rather, if YOU can afford to do this. If it is done, you will doing the paying.

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Yes, GM sold to PSA which is what has kicked this off. PSA get illegal Government subsidies (from more than one country) which so far have not been penalised by the EU or WTC

Money isn't everything otherwise all businesses would be in China, India, Pakistan, Korea etc. This is blatantly not true as PSA are moving work from Korea to Europe and more specifically Russelsheim (Germany).

PSA said in November 2017 "We intend to achieve all our goals without plant closures and without forced redundancies" in their formal statement of the future of Vauxhall/Opel HERE


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No company manufacturing for the whole of Europe can afford to stay behind a tariff barrier for long, whatever its intentions are.

If we leave with a 'hard' brexit then these tariff barriers will remain and companies like Vauxhall will not stay here long. We could perhaps keep them with a 'soft' brexit, but that would leave us in the customs union with no control over how the rules will change over time. This means rather than taking back control we are abandoning it entirely! The logic of this is that we will not be allowed to make trade agreements with countries outside the EU because that would clearly subvert their customs barriers.

Brexiteers seem to me stuck firmly between a rock and a hard place. Mrs May and the EU have already agreed a 'no borders' policy between the Republic of Ireland and the UK which implies a 'soft' brexit, but I doubt that's what many brexiteers want. Those who want a 'hard' exit can kiss goodbye to many companies like Vauxhall, manufacturing stuff for the whole of Europe.

Your choice.


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Isn't it more a case of running down the business and eliminating its rival rather than blaming Brexit?

And lets not forget this:

PSA seeks 705m refund from GM over Opel and Vauxhall emissions

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/vauxha...from-gm-over-opel-and-vauxhall-emissions

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Vauxhall is an assembly plant, 75% of the components are manufactured abroad and about 65% of that is EU. The assembly is the lean end of manufacturing the added value being labour intensive and logistically challenging. When a car carrier brings in a few thousand Corsa (made in Spain) rather than go back empty they load a few thousand Astra (made in England)
Business is no fool.

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Originally Posted by Gibbo
Isn't it more a case of running down the business and eliminating its rival rather than blaming Brexit?

And lets not forget this:

PSA seeks 705m refund from GM over Opel and Vauxhall emissions

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/vauxha...from-gm-over-opel-and-vauxhall-emissions


I'd say no. It is a matter of not having to pay import duty on cars going from the UK to the EU.

I don't see legal actions between companies as being anything abnormal. They do it all the time. Nothing to do with tariff barriers.

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Originally Posted by dustymclean
Vauxhall is an assembly plant, 75% of the components are manufactured abroad and about 65% of that is EU. The assembly is the lean end of manufacturing the added value being labour intensive and logistically challenging. When a car carrier brings in a few thousand Corsa (made in Spain) rather than go back empty they load a few thousand Astra (made in England)
Business is no fool.


What will they do when they have to pay hundreds of pounds of duty on each car? Use a much smaller carrier for a start. More expensive cars = fewer sold.


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