Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
The white poppy appeal started in 1933 ( I thought it was very recent) and is to educate people into preventing wars. The money raised goes towards this goal not just to make more poppies. I think the red poppy is more worthy as the money raised goes to help those in need caused by war.
I don't think that is what they were trying to get across. What is being called for is the white poppy remembrance to be held at a different time of year.
The money raised from sales of the white poppy does not go to those who need it , where as the funds raised from the British Legion's red poppy do.
That makes sense to me, sell them (white) on a different day or month if it's a pacifists dream.. the guy interviewed really admitted that it is a protest for all war dead, including ISIS ! That's pretty insulting for many.
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Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
I am basically a pacifist but my dad fought in WW2. I always wear a red poppy. I agree with granny. The British Legion is a worthy cause with the money going to those who need it.
I would never wear a white poppy, although I too would like to see a peaceful world, never happen though..Red poppies to me represent the blood spilt and sacrifices made trying to protect us and this time should be reflected, respected, and remembered upon..British Legion do a great job.
One has to marvel at the doublethink that must exist to simultaneously believe that the country is grateful to the victims of the war, but stops short of providing for them so that they do not have to rely on charity.
The whole remembrance industry is aimed at persuading young people that there is something noble about fighting for 'your country' against the country of others. There isn't of course. It is a murderous pointless filthy vicious and cruel activity.
I have no idea why politicians and generals who are the people responsible for these wars are allowed anywhere near these tasteful ceremonies either. The sheer hypocrisy of it makes me want to throw up.
Wars are things to forget, not to turn into a glorious adventure. We need to stop the whole remembrance industry.
The money raised from sales of the white poppy does not go to those who need it
Don't we all need less wars?
fewer
I am not totally certain that fewer is the correct word as I am pretty sure it would be impossible to say exactly how many wars are going on at any one time.
One has to marvel at the doublethink that must exist to simultaneously believe that the country is grateful to the victims of the war, but stops short of providing for them so that they do not have to rely on charity.
The whole remembrance industry is aimed at persuading young people that there is something noble about fighting for 'your country' against the country of others. There isn't of course. It is a murderous pointless filthy vicious and cruel activity.
I have no idea why politicians and generals who are the people responsible for these wars are allowed anywhere near these tasteful ceremonies either. The sheer hypocrisy of it makes me want to throw up.
Wars are things to forget, not to turn into a glorious adventure. We need to stop the whole remembrance industry.
Not far away from your opinion but when you have nut jobs like Hitler and Isis pacifism is not the solution. So fighting for your country or other people should not be seen as wrong. Is victory something to celebrate? No problem with a quiet sombre remembrance but the glorification especially by the movie industry doesn't help
We forced Germany into the situation that created WW2 and hence gave Hitler his power, Germany had a choice between that or becoming the poorest nation on the planet and literally starving to death.
The lead up to ISIS is because of a plethora of other countries interfering in domestic situations but ignoring things like international drug trading.
I agree with Excoriator other than the horror of war should be imprinted on everybody's mind to ensure it doesn't happen yet again - unfortunately its not imprinted on enough people in the USA and the UK keeping on playing slave boy.
We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
The sentence "Don't we all need less war" would be correct.
My point was that fewer is used when the number can be counted and as I said I do not believe it is possible to count the the number of wars going on at any one time.
Few is correct I think. Wars are countable events. Whether it is practical to do the counting or not doesn't matter
That said, this is OUR language, not that of grammatical experts, and if we want to use less rather than fewer, we have every right to go ahead and damn well use it! The grammatical experts will just have to rewrite their textbooks to reflect the change.
Few is correct I think. Wars are countable events. Whether it is practical to do the counting or not doesn't matter
That said, this is OUR language, not that of grammatical experts, and if we want to use less rather than fewer, we have every right to go ahead and damn well use it! The grammatical experts will just have to rewrite their textbooks to reflect the change.
That said, those who use the language correctly have every right to point out the faults of those who do not, until such time as the textbooks are rewritten.
That said, those who use the language correctly have every right to point out the faults of those who do not, until such time as the textbooks are rewritten.
Or we can all use the same excuse as you used ....
Originally Posted by Spellbinder
It wasn't meant to be a grammatically correct sentence
What year do you use as your reference point for correct English?
We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
That said, those who use the language correctly have every right to point out the faults of those who do not, until such time as the textbooks are rewritten.
Or we can all use the same excuse as you used ....
Ah - so you knew "less wars" was wrong when you posted it? In that case you are forgiven.
Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
Originally Posted by Spellbinder
It wasn't meant to be a grammatically correct sentence
What year do you use as your reference point for correct English?
Oh dear, I am almost sorry I started this. It was meant as a tongue in cheek comment illustrating how easy it is for few/fewer and less to be misused. As Derek rightly says the main thing is that others understand what is meant. Nobody (apart from teachers in class) really has any right to correct or criticise the spelling or grammar of others.
Oh dear, I am almost sorry I started this. It was meant as a tongue in cheek comment illustrating how easy it is for few/fewer and less to be misused. As Derek rightly says the main thing is that others understand what is meant. Nobody (apart from teachers in class) really has any right to correct or criticise the spelling or grammar of others.
I don't understand why so many are so touchy, Salmon. Even Spellbinder makes me laugh. I'm sure he only does it to annoy, and I have a chuckle every time, because out of the shadows appears our re-incarnated Chriskay. Does it matter to anyone ? Well only if people take offence I suppose, so who is at fault the accused or the accuser ? What the heck....people are dying all over the world from wars. Derek makes a point we should all take on board and we shouldn't get so touchy. (me included but there's usually only one that upsets my apple cart )
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
Oh dear, I am almost sorry I started this. It was meant as a tongue in cheek comment illustrating how easy it is for few/fewer and less to be misused. As Derek rightly says the main thing is that others understand what is meant. Nobody (apart from teachers in class) really has any right to correct or criticise the spelling or grammar of others.
I'm not aware of any law in this country that forbids this.
Oh dear, I am almost sorry I started this. It was meant as a tongue in cheek comment illustrating how easy it is for few/fewer and less to be misused. As Derek rightly says the main thing is that others understand what is meant. Nobody (apart from teachers in class) really has any right to correct or criticise the spelling or grammar of others.
I'm not aware of any law in this country that forbids this.
Perhaps good manners and consideration for another's feelings would overrule any requirement for a law.
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Oh dear, I am almost sorry I started this. It was meant as a tongue in cheek comment illustrating how easy it is for few/fewer and less to be misused. As Derek rightly says the main thing is that others understand what is meant. Nobody (apart from teachers in class) really has any right to correct or criticise the spelling or grammar of others.
I'm not aware of any law in this country that forbids this.
Perhaps good manners and consideration for another's feelings would overrule any requirement for a law.
That is quite different from your claim that nobody has the right to criticise the spelling or grammar of others when it is manifestly clear that in this country everybody has that right (subject, presumably, to latter-day legislation designed to minimise offence to our suffering minorities).
Oh dear, I am almost sorry I started this. It was meant as a tongue in cheek comment illustrating how easy it is for few/fewer and less to be misused. As Derek rightly says the main thing is that others understand what is meant. Nobody (apart from teachers in class) really has any right to correct or criticise the spelling or grammar of others.
I don't understand why so many are so touchy, Salmon. Even Spellbinder makes me laugh. I'm sure he only does it to annoy, and I have a chuckle every time, because out of the shadows appears our re-incarnated Chriskay. Does it matter to anyone ? Well only if people take offence I suppose, so who is at fault the accused or the accuser ? What the heck....people are dying all over the world from wars. Derek makes a point we should all take on board and we shouldn't get so touchy. (me included but there's usually only one that upsets my apple cart )
I've never ever even heard of the white poppy thing! But i don't buy a red poppy either. I was pressured to donate money when in school for one but never wore it because frankly i don't quite get the whole hero-worship.
The white poppy seems to be a much more holistic and general cause and i've actually just read more about it online and it's certainly a cause i can definitely get behind.
I've never ever even heard of the white poppy thing! But i don't buy a red poppy either. I was pressured to donate money when in school for one but never wore it because frankly i don't quite get the whole hero-worship.
The white poppy seems to be a much more holistic and general cause and i've actually just read more about it online and it's certainly a cause i can definitely get behind.
I've never ever even heard of the white poppy thing! But i don't buy a red poppy either. I was pressured to donate money when in school for one but never wore it because frankly i don't quite get the whole hero-worship.
The white poppy seems to be a much more holistic and general cause and i've actually just read more about it online and it's certainly a cause i can definitely get behind.
Read the first post and watch the video in the link. You may understamd more then.
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Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
I've never ever even heard of the white poppy thing! But i don't buy a red poppy either. I was pressured to donate money when in school for one but never wore it because frankly i don't quite get the whole hero-worship.
The white poppy seems to be a much more holistic and general cause and i've actually just read more about it online and it's certainly a cause i can definitely get behind.
Read the first post and watch the video in the link. You may understamd more then.
What? From one single source? Of your choosing? How patronising!
I've never ever even heard of the white poppy thing! But i don't buy a red poppy either. I was pressured to donate money when in school for one but never wore it because frankly i don't quite get the whole hero-worship.
The white poppy seems to be a much more holistic and general cause and i've actually just read more about it online and it's certainly a cause i can definitely get behind.
Read the first post and watch the video in the link. You may understamd more then.
What? From one single source? Of your choosing? How patronising!
Explain what is patronising about watching a television interview ?
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
Oh Granny I'm jealous now, Spellbinder makes me chuckle too
Don't get jealous ,Cools. Spellbinder and Salmon are both my favourites. Casper has jilted me, you can have him if you want !
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
I believe there are also purple poppies made, to remember all the animals killed in the course of wars - mules, horses, dogs, carrier pigeons etc. I haven't researched where they are available or where the proceeds go.
All and sundry are victims of war, Grandad was sunk once in WW1 and twice in WW2.He suffered and never fired a gun in anger.He wore a red poppy to remember his fellow crew members who never came home, including his younger brother.Wear whatever colour you want or none.The freedom to do so is part of the why. The price they paid is not ours to have a petty dispute about.
Still think I'll buy a red poppy, I give to animals charities a lot.
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
I've never ever even heard of the white poppy thing! But i don't buy a red poppy either. I was pressured to donate money when in school for one but never wore it because frankly i don't quite get the whole hero-worship.
The white poppy seems to be a much more holistic and general cause and i've actually just read more about it online and it's certainly a cause i can definitely get behind.
j demo, how does wearing a red poppy equate to hero worship? I would of thought that looking at all the footage of the Great War would deter anyone from instigating a war, the war to end all wars, images of soldiers existing in flooded trenches, eaten by lice and then blown to pieces or maimed and crippled just to gain a few yards of desolate flooded ground, and those that survived blinded or shell shocked, families left without fathers sons and brothers that's what goes through my mind when this time of year comes around and I buy a poppy, hero worship no, sadness for my families loss and all the other families that lost loved ones throughout Great Britain, lets keep being reminded of the great cost in human life of all wars.
I've never ever even heard of the white poppy thing! But i don't buy a red poppy either. I was pressured to donate money when in school for one but never wore it because frankly i don't quite get the whole hero-worship.
The white poppy seems to be a much more holistic and general cause and i've actually just read more about it online and it's certainly a cause i can definitely get behind.
j demo, how does wearing a red poppy equate to hero worship? I would of thought that looking at all the footage of the Great War would deter anyone from instigating a war, the war to end all wars, images of soldiers existing in flooded trenches, eaten by lice and then blown to pieces or maimed and crippled just to gain a few yards of desolate flooded ground, and those that survived blinded or shell shocked, families left without fathers sons and brothers that's what goes through my mind when this time of year comes around and I buy a poppy, hero worship no, sadness for my families loss and all the other families that lost loved ones throughout Great Britain, lets keep being reminded of the great cost in human life of all wars.
Cools. Copy my original post (the string of numbers I put in reply to Spellbinders post) Then open the link in my above post. Then paste what you copied, into the box that appears and it will convert it to English text. I was just teasing spellbinder. (Then I won ten bob as I bet myself DD wouldn't be able to resist replying in binary .LOL.)
A lovely military man selling poppies stopped me today and asked if he could reposition mine - while doing so he told me that women should wear their poppy on their right side; the red represents the blood of all those who gave their lives, the black represents the mourning of those who didn't have their loved ones return home, and the green leaf represents the grass and crops growing and future prosperity after the war destroyed so much. The leaf should be positioned at 11 o'clock to represent the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month, the time that World War One formally ended. He was worried that younger generations wouldn't understand this and his generation wouldn't be around for much longer to teach them.
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
Seven new Poppy buses will cruise the capital to mark Remembrance Day
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
Wearing a poppy with the leaf at an incorrect angle could soon be punishable by death if controversial new laws are approved.
The introduction of a new ‘Freedom Loving Patriots’ Law’ would make placing poppy leaves at an incorrect angle a crime against British decency.
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“Wearing a poppy is not sufficient on its own,” insisted Simon Williams from Patriotic Britons for Freedom, Truth and Justice.
“To truly honour our fallen heroes, you must wear a poppy with the leaf at an angle of exactly eleven o’clock.
“Anything else is an act of treason and an insult to all the brave servicemen and women who sacrificed their lives so that I can tell people how to honour them.”
Mr Williams revealed that people wearing white poppies would also face punishment under the new law.
“Anti-war traitors want to stop soldiers being killed so we don’t have to remember them,” he fumed.
“You can’t honour someone who’s sacrificed their life if they’re not dead.
“Under the Freedom Loving Patriots’ Law, any soldier who is alive will be killed so that we can pay tribute to them.
Word for word granny’s post if I’m not mistaken 🤔
It is, and it came off social media. Is there a problem ?
If there is then maybe we should leave it until after 11/11. and it's 11 mins past midnight.
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Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
Veteran’s advice on how to wear Remembrance Day poppy is shared around the world
Peter Godsmark, who served in the Kings Troop Royal Horse Artillery, explained the red poppy's supposed symbolism Alexandra Sims | Wednesday 11 November 2015 08:44 GMT|
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
Word for word granny’s post if I’m not mistaken 🤔
It is, and it came off social media. Is there a problem ?
If there is then maybe we should leave it until after 11/11. and it's 11 mins past midnight.
Why would there be a problem?
I put up 2 widely different view points both of which are being shared and both sound plausible. There seems to be huge arguments about poppies on social media sites this year that I don’t remember from previous years (maybe just me).
Wear one or don’t. I personally wear one (red) and support the cause but I don’t stress about which side it’s on.
Surely it is buying a poppy that is important, not how you wear it. If people start whining about how it should be worn I think less people will bother to buy one.
Surely it is buying a poppy that is important, not how you wear it. If people start whining about how it should be worn I think less people will bother to buy one.
Surely it is buying a poppy that is important, not how you wear it. If people start whining about how it should be worn I think less people will bother to buy one.
Oh sorry, I always respect the two minutes silence but I have my little grandson with me so wasn't quite aware of the time and posted. Very disrespectful f me
Oh dear, dont get a complex cools lol, wasnt having a go at you or anyone today (like I wasnt the other day) , I have no idea who was posting what when , I just happened to notice the time whilst I was looking at the forum, and recorded a quite minute for myself whilst doing a spot of mental family history , remembering who actually was in that war.
Word for word granny’s post if I’m not mistaken 🤔
It is, and it came off social media. Is there a problem ?
If there is then maybe we should leave it until after 11/11. and it's 11 mins past midnight.
Why would there be a problem?
I put up 2 widely different view points both of which are being shared and both sound plausible. There seems to be huge arguments about poppies on social media sites this year that I don’t remember from previous years (maybe just me).
Wear one or don’t. I personally wear one (red) and support the cause but I don’t stress about which side it’s on.
That's what I couldn't understand Kittykat. Posting two separate views on the matter. I didn't quite know if you were criticising the view of my post or if it was your previous post. I also thought you may have been to the pub
But there we go. We (you and I) are trying to justify each others posts, Spellbinder is doing his usual magic, and causing Dilly to call people names, Cools is having a major stress and an apologetic trip for missing 2 mins in favour of her grandchildren ! Where does it go from here ? I wonder what will happen between now and the next 11/11 th ? Back to normal gang, keep the Wiki wheel turning.
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
Yep Granny all human emotions there in just a few posts, quite true what you say, ha...I had to laugh at Spellbinder at it again and Dilly having a word as only Dilly can, I've missed your funny one liners Dilly..I wonder if Spellbinder is a man or woman??? Wish you would post more Spellbinder but I guess you like to be a person of mystery
but there's usually only one that upsets my apple cart ) 
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