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Bloomberg on brexit #1046464
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Here's Michael Bloomberg's view of brexit.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...thing-any-country-has-done-besides-trump

Fair comment I think. Trump, by the way, thinks brexit is a splendid idea; something that should worry any brexiteer!

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Re: Bloomberg on brexit [Re: Excoriator] #1046472
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Funny how the rich are up in arms once a democratic decision has come about ..... "we don't want the plebs taking control of their own lives".


In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

We should judge our economy by the absence of poverty, not the number of billionaires - Jeremy Corbyn
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I think he's a businessman who knows a stupid deal when he sees one. I'm certainly not rich, but I can see it's a stupid deal too.
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So, according to the latest poll, can a majority of others now.

But quite apart from whether brexit is good or bad, we have a patently inept negotiator in Davis.

I see he is now claiming that parliament's vote on whether to accept the terms he negotiates will take place AFTER we leave the EU! Even his boss, Mrs May doesn't seem totally sure it will happen in time although she feels confident that it will be before we leave!

Personally, I feel if you are thinking about doing something, the time to decide to go ahead is BEFORE you do it, not after!

These people are so detached from reality that even causality itself has been abandoned!

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Surely the Davies 'take' was more tongue in cheek just basically intimating that the EU themselves are so prone to procrastination and indecision (deliberately or otherwise) that they may well take it to the wire in giving the info WE need to vote on which means we might be pushed over the technical date.

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As for comments about Bloomberg staff wanting to move out of UK and US as immigrants wernt wanted and were not made welcome -- well , dont know about the US , but certainly as the Bloomenburg offices are going to be in Central London, the comment doesnt seem valid as in London generally , and the centre in particular, and especially amongst professionals, there seems to be very very little problem with all nationalities working happily together .

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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
Funny how the rich are up in arms once a democratic decision has come about ..... "we don't want the plebs taking control of their own lives".


What democratic decision? The referendum was consultative or advisory. It wasn't a decision. There were no winners, there aren't in advisory referendums as there is no prize, only advice which was 37% of those eligible to express an opinion were in favour of leaving, 35% in favour of staying and 28% didn't express a preference.

Thats it. No decision, no winners, no prize, no wining line.

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People "decided" to vote yes or no, it was a collective democratic "decision".

They were only voting on the referendum result, it wasn't a command to parliament just as much as it wasn't a command to Donald Trump. The people "decided" which result they wanted in the referendum.

It then went past that stage and our democratic Government (sorry, I choke saying that bit) "decided" to enact it based on the result of the referendum.

Then the rich were up in arms after two democratic "decisions" that led to the stage we are at.


In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

We should judge our economy by the absence of poverty, not the number of billionaires - Jeremy Corbyn
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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper

It then went past that stage and our democratic Government (sorry, I choke saying that bit) "decided" to enact it based on the result of the referendum.


I sort of agree with that bit.... though given that they forced it through via a very short bill to tigger article 50 they didn't really give it due consideration (arguable I accept) and really the debate shouldn't have been about the triggering of article 50 but about how to interpret the advice.. which is really a pretty split 37-35-28 result. I can't really see it as strong advice to leave or stay.. more that we're pretty much divided. So I'd have expected a debate about what to do about the divisions in our society and how we bring it closer together.

I accept this is my opinion and others will for whatever reason have differing views.

Interestingly I read this today.... not fully aligned with my views but the closest thing I've read along the lines of how did we end up so divided and what do we do about it...

https://behindthepaywallblog.wordpr...tain-as-much-of-the-rest-of-the-country/

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Excellent!


In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

We should judge our economy by the absence of poverty, not the number of billionaires - Jeremy Corbyn
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Fab read! Thanks for posting.


Mia Mabel

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh! Jer-e-my Cor-byn

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Latest anti--brexit propaganda

scare stories about 75,000 job losses in the financial sector

2 stories that imply people got attacked or abused because of brexit
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-41763388
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-west-wales-41821004

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That will be 75 people that won't be able to bankrupt the country from any of their criminal behaviour then.


In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

We should judge our economy by the absence of poverty, not the number of billionaires - Jeremy Corbyn
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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
That will be 75 people that won't be able to bankrupt the country from any of their criminal behaviour then.


every cloud........

Re: Bloomberg on brexit [Re: Excoriator] #1046898
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It amazes me that people canít accept the decision that was made. All we hear is ďI bet the levers would change their minds now!Ē NO

If you look at the last 20 years the uk has become poorer against countryís like, USA, Canada, Australia, Bulgaria, Turkey, Spain, France, Romania etc/ I base this finding simply on the fact that it has become more expensive for us to go to or buy basic things in these countryís, for example in Romania the average wage has doubled since 2008. Great for Romania.

Look at average household income graphs for the past 20 years on google you can see that in Australia the average wage has doubled, in the uk itís barely increased at all.

Finally if you look at the stats for average wage we are sitting in 15, if you take London out of the equation that would probably drop a lot further. What we are doing now isnít working.

Iím lucky I have a good job and hopefully plenty of working life ahead of me, at the rate we are heading though our kids will be very poor. We need to change and we need to do it quick.

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Re: Bloomberg on brexit [Re: Excoriator] #1046932
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As a country we aren't doing too badly, its the distribution of wealth that is the problem, the USA also has this problem, the lower half of Americans are poorer than the lower half of Brits .

The capitalist fallacy that if the money goes to the top it will trickle downwards to everybody does not work, greed and not philanthropy is the order of the day.

This is such a problem for the Tories who want to hold on to their capitalist ideals that they have to rely on minimum wage increases but this doesn't work either. The very rich in the country that have the wealth don't employ a proportional number of people (directly or indirectly) so they aren't the ones paying the minimum wage, most of that money comes from lower down and hence the distribution of wealth isn't working.

It comes to something that the Victorians for all their faults were more philanthropic than our current leeches.

While we have two Governments running the country it is very hard for the people to have any real democratic say, especially when one of those Governments is largely made up of our competitors. It is very simple logic that if one Government wants to be richer, it implicitly means another Government is going to be poorer.


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