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Thanks for that Granny, I've sent them an email.

I had a reply from Heritage, they were very apologetic, unfortunately the information for Birds House arrived too late to be printed in the book and was only available on line. I didn't look on line, mea culpa.

What a shame.

A few pics here, before and after.

https://www.facebook.com/limekilnlane/

the pictures were nearly as good as going in person, thanks Granny

So you managed to see it Loco ? That's good. There are still so many questions surrounding that house (for me at least).

Information crops up on HSLC about the area, and much more. Painting a picture of how life was, who was who and how their lives were shaped.
I still can't see how a William Bird, in 1697 ( that William was not the Church Warden either) , if he was a lowly yeoman farmer , and at the age of 62yrs, would want to build a house that size and more to the point, how could he afford to ? His family had grown up, and the house was transferred to someone else just a handful of years later after he died in 1706. None of it makes sense.
There is obviously wrong information somewhere that just keeps getting passed on again and again.
Robert Vyner had died in 1688 in debt. His Will says his step nephew inherited. So who did the land belong to in 1697 and why would anyone rebuild a house on someone else's land ?
Too many holes to be filled in yet. Particularly as in Elizabethan era which was written in


St Hilary's Parish records.http://www.hslc.org.uk/documents/PDFS/1883.pdf
Re: One Richard Bird
Page 127/8
" Rental of Poulton @ Seacombe, 5 Eliz."
Had. MS. 2039, p. 89.
(h) " Pet Puford | Richard Brydd a ten' wh housyng thereunto
" Secam f and upon the back side of the house or
" yard croft adioyning to a tent of Mr. houghes.
" Item a barne and a Gardayn upon the backsyde thereof
" adioynyng to Tottyes grounde.
" Item a croft of land called the Stywey croft cont one acre
[and a half],
" Item iij butts called bottynbry dye pyke.
"Item a nother butt called the brewye. (?)
" Item ij butts called Kell londs one but called apodyche
128 Extracts, &c. [APPENDIX C.
" holland cont iij grts of an acre ij butts called butts one qrt
" of an acre Two other butts called grid (?) butts ij p'cells of
" two butts called the Wellyng (?) londs cont. one acre one but
" called Stokkeland (?) a cutting of a but called the brade butt
" at the dale (?) one qrtr of an acre.
"my acres Sfn of the acres belonging).... ,,
"byestima to the said brydd's tent. } mJ acres

What does this mean when it mentions 'tents' ? Everybody seemed to have one !

Tents = Tenements.


Historic field-name

Bottynbrydge Pykes, Harde Buttes, Heiefeld, le Rake Milne, le Rake Mylne, le Schortefeld, Lower Broad Hey, Pultonling, Redd Londes, Stokkeland, the Brade Butt at the Dale, the Ferry of Pulton, the Stywey Croft, the Swellyng Londes, Tottyes grounde, Wrynkilsiche, Wychehard

Modern field-name

Apple Ditch Hay, Backside, Bank Hay, Black Butt Hay, Brier Ridge, Butlands Hay, Cockbutt, Crook Hay, Cross Looms, Cuff Hay, Duckfield Hay, Farland Hay, Fatan Hay, Flook Hay, Gorsty Hay, Gravelland Hay, Greedy Butt Hay, Hook Hey, Money Part, Pikey Loons, Platkin Hay, Poolton Field, Renwell Hay, Shebsters Meadow, Sitch, Slang, Still Land Hay, Sunderland Hay, The Hooks, Town Field, Twistle Hay, Yards End

Sadly I didn't get to see it, only the photos on facebook.

I would have to agree granny
Parish of Bidston and Wallasey

Is there anyone out there who can translate Latin ?

Even a little would be helpful.

William Birdde /Birdd of Poulton 1606. Will/Inventory.

Terrible copies, but the best I seem able to get at the moment.

Thanks for looking

This might help

It is the Runic alphabet used to write old English before the introduction of the Latin alphabet.It looks like this might be the earliest case of pigeon English.I had to use a spy glass to see what they mean. The one that looks like a sloping F is ash the one with top pointing up is oak. the A with a middle leg is barn, the I is one year, so the nine strokes could be nine years. There is a definite ash symbol on the bottom.

From what I can see.

First document is English with occasional ornate capitals.

Second document is Latin (the only definite word I can make out is filio - son).

Both are in pretty standard but very untidy cursive.

Sorry Dusty, didn't realise.

Yes, I can see where both Dusty and DD are coming from. I think it's a bit of a mixture too. There are certain words \I can pick out, maybe a lot easier for having it on a table in front of me . Never the less, pretty awful.

Looking at other 's it seems that the value of the list of properties is on the right hand side.

The first words I can make out is Inventory, William Bird Poulton, then down to list

yolk, Oxen on the first line.

Stumped after that. On the final sheet, I also got filio and have been trying to work out the initial for the name Bird that subsequently follows. Not knowing the format i.e. if that refers to a witness .

I really didn't expect much and thank you for your suggestions. The show will go on.

Got some more if you want to see them. Difficult to copy as they are on big sheets .

I did think I could crack it with this, www.oldenglishtranslator.co.uk I could not get a word out of ten, you may do better.The little dots and dashes are like ancient short hand.They say each radio operator had his own signature, and apparently the scribes had theirs.Will have another go later.