After the war, when Birkenhead had suffered quite a bit of bomb damage, allied to the fact that at that time there was a lot of poor quality housing, the Corporation commissioned a grand plan for the re-development of the town. I'm fortunate to have a mint copy of this book, still in its slip case and with the complete map which measures about three feet square and lives in a pocket at the end of the book. The book itself is large, measuring about 12" x 10". Here's a taste of the book.
Carpe diem.
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Re: The grand 1947 plan.
[Re: chriskay]
#1016786 10th Aug 20163:15pm10th Aug 20163:15pm
Very interesting regarding ferry services Them ferry service numbers are staggering, considering the other options of the railway and the Mersey tunnel Regarding 'G'. Why was the ferry still used for motor vehicles? Was it cheaper than a passage through the tunnel?
Re: The grand 1947 plan.
[Re: mikeeb]
#1016890 11th Aug 20161:05pm11th Aug 20161:05pm
Very interesting regarding ferry services Them ferry service numbers are staggering, considering the other options of the railway and the Mersey tunnel Regarding 'G'. Why was the ferry still used for motor vehicles? Was it cheaper than a passage through the tunnel?
As it says , 40% was horse drawn traffic which was not allowed in the tunnel; also I suspect there would have been quite a few drivers who would have felt nervous in a long underwater tunnel. According to the schedule at 'G', only 15% was private cars. As far as cost goes, I can't find out what the toll for a car was when the tunnel opened, all I can find out is that the goods ferry toll in 1905 for a four seater car was 1 shilling: using the relative RPI, that equals nearly five pounds today. Larger cars were charged between 1/6d and 3 shillings. The tunnel toll for a car in 1971 was 10p. The luggage boats finished in 1941.
Carpe diem.
Re: The grand 1947 plan.
[Re: chriskay]
#1016891 11th Aug 20161:11pm11th Aug 20161:11pm
Very interesting regarding ferry services Them ferry service numbers are staggering, considering the other options of the railway and the Mersey tunnel Regarding 'G'. Why was the ferry still used for motor vehicles? Was it cheaper than a passage through the tunnel?
As it says , 40% was horse drawn traffic which was not allowed in the tunnel; also I suspect there would have been quite a few drivers who would have felt nervous in a long underwater tunnel. According to the schedule at 'G', only 15% was private cars. As far as cost goes, I can't find out what the toll for a car was when the tunnel opened, all I can find out is that the goods ferry toll in 1905 for a four seater car was 1 shilling: using the relative RPI, that equals nearly five pounds today. Larger cars were charged between 1/6d and 3 shillings. The tunnel toll for a car in 1971 was 10p. The luggage boats finished in 1941.
I got the 40% horse drawn traffic My question was "Why was the ferry still used for motor vehicles?" If you take into account the scared commuters not wanting to travel through the tunnel, (I suppose it was like flying a plane when the tunnel opened) it is still a staggering number crossing the Mersey on a motor vehicle via a boat, when in fact the tunnel had already been opened for over 10 years Don't you think it is a bit high?
Re: The grand 1947 plan.
[Re: mikeeb]
#1016973 11th Aug 20169:29pm11th Aug 20169:29pm
If you allow that only 15% of the total was commuters, travelling five days a week, that's only 35 cars a day, which is a tiny number compared with those using the tunnel. By the same token, many commuters chose to continue to use the ferries even after the Mersey Railway was electrified and therefore made more pleasant. I guess people just thought it made a pleasant start to the day.
Carpe diem.
Re: The grand 1947 plan.
[Re: chriskay]
#1016983 11th Aug 201610:03pm11th Aug 201610:03pm
I must be missing something here Chris 30% is motor traffic between liverpool and Birkenhead docks 16% Petrol transport from Ellesmere Port and North Country That is what is confusing me, the above figures The remanding 15% is what you are referring to, yes?
Re: The grand 1947 plan.
[Re: mikeeb]
#1017044 12th Aug 20169:40am12th Aug 20169:40am
I must be missing something here Chris 30% is motor traffic between liverpool and Birkenhead docks 16% Petrol transport from Ellesmere Port and North Country That is what is confusing me, the above figures The remanding 15% is what you are referring to, yes?
Yes, I'm considering only what might be termed commuter traffic.
