WikiWirral values you and your opinion.
Forum Statistics
Posts1,031,761
Topics76,061
Members14,050
Forums65
Posts in last 24hrs3
Most Online14,906
Nov 23rd, 2019
Who's Online Now
17 registered members (Annie1079, 5 invisible), 1,253 guests, and305 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Popular Topics(Views 7days)
New General Forums
Assembly Picture Gautby Road, Bidston 1968
by Longnails. 22nd Jan 2022 5:13pm
The Winter of 1963
by Griff20. 2nd Jan 2022 10:12am
Merry christmas
by cools. 25th Dec 2021 7:55am
Losing our Freedom re COVID booster jab
by Longnails. 4th Dec 2021 11:40pm
New Wirral History
Cleggs stonemasons
by steviebyday. 16th Jan 2022 6:49pm
The old flour mills of Wirral 1903
by _Ste_. 29th Dec 2021 7:46pm
Wheatsheaf Hotel 39 Corporation Road
by Lovelfc88. 23rd Dec 2021 5:57pm
Birkenhead rail tunnels construction pictures?
by yoller. 23rd Dec 2021 10:08am
Flaybrick Lodge rooftop query
by derekdwc. 9th Dec 2021 1:51pm
Forum Tips
Photo Gallery Forums
Cruise liner Anthem of the Seas
Tram by the Penny Bridge
Topic Replies
Most Haunted
by KevinFinity. 22nd Jan 2022 11:13pm
SONY BRAVIA KDL-22PX300 PS2
by _Ste_. 22nd Jan 2022 10:35pm
Wheatsheaf Hotel 39 Corporation Road
by bert1. 22nd Jan 2022 6:54am
Wirral gun sites from the second world war
by Tomcra. 21st Jan 2022 6:21pm
Sheldrakes to become private home
by diggingdeeper. 21st Jan 2022 5:49pm
319 Park View Hotel
by mikeeb. 21st Jan 2022 1:29pm
What song are you listening to?
by BultacoAstro. 21st Jan 2022 9:07am
Tony Blair Knighthood
by Longnails. 17th Jan 2022 10:06pm
Cleggs stonemasons
by bert1. 17th Jan 2022 5:48pm
January
M T W T F S S
1 2
3 4 5 6 7 8 9
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30
31
Recent Posts : What's On ?
Previous Topic
Next Topic
Print Topic
Rate Topic
Welcome all you Ukrainians! #1007666
20th Apr 2016 3:53pm
20th Apr 2016 3:53pm
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 3,621
Wirral
V
venice Offline OP

Forum Guardian
venice  Offline OP

Forum Guardian
V
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 3,621
Wirral
shocked

Did I really hear on RT today that the EU are proposing ALL Ukrainians be allowed into Shengen areas without any visa whatsoever?

Google Ads
Re: Welcome all you Ukrainians! [Re: venice] #1007669
20th Apr 2016 4:16pm
20th Apr 2016 4:16pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 14,059
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 14,059
Birkenhead
This is a visitor program, similar to our visa-waiver agreements with numerous countries including the USA.

Its been progressing for a few years but got a bit delayed,they have agreements with many other countries including Hong Kong for instance.

Georgia and Kosovo are in the same batch as well.


We don't do charity in Germany, We pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
Re: Welcome all you Ukrainians! [Re: venice] #1007670
20th Apr 2016 4:49pm
20th Apr 2016 4:49pm
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 3,621
Wirral
V
venice Offline OP

Forum Guardian
venice  Offline OP

Forum Guardian
V
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 3,621
Wirral
Well, Ukraine is a more frightening proposition. East Ukrainians if dissatisfied may well look to Russia, but wont all the Western ones be over here and disappear like a shot?

Re: Welcome all you Ukrainians! [Re: venice] #1007675
20th Apr 2016 5:20pm
20th Apr 2016 5:20pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 14,059
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 14,059
Birkenhead
Its a visitor waver for short term stays, it gives them no rights of residency nor permission to work. Most countries have loads of these visa-waiver agreements, they still need to travel on a passport and meet the requirements of the waiver.

The UK isn't inside the Schengen area so it won't affect us


We don't do charity in Germany, We pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
Re: Welcome all you Ukrainians! [Re: diggingdeeper] #1007681
20th Apr 2016 6:20pm
20th Apr 2016 6:20pm
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 3,621
Wirral
V
venice Offline OP

Forum Guardian
venice  Offline OP

Forum Guardian
V
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 3,621
Wirral
Originally Posted by diggingdeeper


The UK isn't inside the Schengen area so it won't affect us


If we vote STAY,it will-- we'll be shoehorned into Shengen like a shot I reckon and then I dont doubt that as soon as they dont require visas loads of Ukranians will leave their bankrupt shitty standard of living country and make their way to a European country with the least beaurocracy , in order to disappear into the black economy where they can earn probably 5 times as much as at home, a soft touch country who doesnt even know where all its National Insurance cards go ,because they get given out like dolly mixtures. Now where would be a good choice ?

Re: Welcome all you Ukrainians! [Re: venice] #1007688
20th Apr 2016 8:07pm
20th Apr 2016 8:07pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 14,059
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 14,059
Birkenhead
Its short term stays, I believe it may be 90 days maximum the same as the old visitors visa.


We don't do charity in Germany, We pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
Re: Welcome all you Ukrainians! [Re: diggingdeeper] #1007692
20th Apr 2016 8:35pm
20th Apr 2016 8:35pm
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 3,621
Wirral
V
venice Offline OP

Forum Guardian
venice  Offline OP

Forum Guardian
V
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 3,621
Wirral
Are you saying you dont think there will be any problem , and theyll all show up and trot off at the end of 90 days back to their horrible lives?

Re: Welcome all you Ukrainians! [Re: venice] #1007693
20th Apr 2016 8:39pm
20th Apr 2016 8:39pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 14,059
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 14,059
Birkenhead
Yes, because they are not allowed to work and it is illegal to employ them. There will be a small amount breaking the rules but probably not significantly more than as present.

The visa used to be fairly cheap and readily available, the waiver isn't a great change.


We don't do charity in Germany, We pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
Re: Welcome all you Ukrainians! [Re: venice] #1007701
20th Apr 2016 9:49pm
20th Apr 2016 9:49pm
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 3,621
Wirral
V
venice Offline OP

Forum Guardian
venice  Offline OP

Forum Guardian
V
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 3,621
Wirral
Well theres at least 1 million internally displaced people in Ukraine , theres been more war activity in the last year or two, so I think this will be just the incentive they need to be on the move .
They dont need to be 'allowed' to work, in the black economy - they just 'do'. I dont reckon employers have ceased employing unintitled workers just because its illegal. Ah well, IN or OUT is the first big thing to worry about , and time will tell how that decision affects everything else.

Quote - International Business Times

"One of the major fears of the EU interior ministers meeting next week is that opening their borders to Ukrainians could result in a large number entering with no intention of going back. Statistics show thatís exactly what has happened with some countries enjoying visa-free travel to the Union."

Last edited by venice; 20th Apr 2016 9:53pm.
Re: Welcome all you Ukrainians! [Re: venice] #1007733
21st Apr 2016 10:57am
21st Apr 2016 10:57am
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 3,621
Wirral
V
venice Offline OP

Forum Guardian
venice  Offline OP

Forum Guardian
V
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 3,621
Wirral
'Unentitled' even whistle

Re: Welcome all you Ukrainians! [Re: venice] #1007737
21st Apr 2016 11:50am
21st Apr 2016 11:50am
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 14,059
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 14,059
Birkenhead
Don't forget that these are not fully fenced borders anyway. Its not too difficult for people to illegally wander between the relevant countries.

There are over 15 million regular crossings a year between the Ukraine and Poland, in the past this has been as high as 20 million before Poland joined the Schengen Area. Then there are other routes through Belarus, Moldavia etc.

I really can't see that the illegal traffic will significantly increase. What I can see a problem with will be the already significant drug trafficking routes increasing but as we have virtually no control over drugs at the moment it won't really impact much.


We don't do charity in Germany, We pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
Re: Welcome all you Ukrainians! [Re: diggingdeeper] #1007739
21st Apr 2016 12:02pm
21st Apr 2016 12:02pm
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 3,621
Wirral
V
venice Offline OP

Forum Guardian
venice  Offline OP

Forum Guardian
V
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 3,621
Wirral
Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
What I can see a problem with will be the already significant drug trafficking routes increasing but as we have virtually no control over drugs at the moment it won't really impact much.


Oh, well thats just another flipping thing to add to my list for the 'leave' side of things . Hadnt even thought of that, how depressing!
Really does seem to be Hobson's choice whatever we do.

Re: Welcome all you Ukrainians! [Re: venice] #1007780
21st Apr 2016 5:16pm
21st Apr 2016 5:16pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 14,059
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 14,059
Birkenhead
The only reasons I have found to stay in are all negative reasons, there are many positive reasons to leave.


We don't do charity in Germany, We pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
Re: Welcome all you Ukrainians! [Re: venice] #1007781
21st Apr 2016 5:18pm
21st Apr 2016 5:18pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 14,059
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 14,059
Birkenhead
Another way of looking at it.

If we were not members now, having seen the way the EU is heading, how would you vote in a referendum to join?


We don't do charity in Germany, We pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
Re: Welcome all you Ukrainians! [Re: diggingdeeper] #1007784
21st Apr 2016 5:40pm
21st Apr 2016 5:40pm
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 211
wirral
palemoon Offline
Addict
palemoon  Offline
Addict
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 211
wirral
Very well put, dd. happy


Moderated by  Mod 

Random Wirral Images

Click to View Topic.
Newest Topics
Sheldrakes to become private home
by Gibbo. 18th Jan 2022 1:51pm
Most Haunted
by Longnails. 17th Jan 2022 10:14pm
Cleggs stonemasons
by steviebyday. 16th Jan 2022 6:49pm
Woodchurch Leisure centre and libraries?
by Greenwood. 11th Jan 2022 9:10am
Worth a watch ...
by GaryFromWirral. 9th Jan 2022 10:22pm
For Sale & Free
SONY BRAVIA KDL-22PX300 PS2
by _Ste_. 22nd Jan 2022 10:35pm
Echo and the bunnymen, Liverpool Feb. 14
by Jakeypoos. 12th Jan 2022 10:12pm
Magic mystie
by lincle. 7th Jan 2022 11:12am
Car battery charger
by madrob. 29th Dec 2021 2:02pm
Member Spotlight
snowhite
snowhite
Wirral
Posts: 7,094
Joined: January 2014
Show All Member Profiles 
Newest Members
Annie1079, az156, 778Liam, Maro111, Debby
14050 Registered Users
Today's Birthdays
No Birthdays
New Wirral Info
Glass replacment
by Wickerman. 6th Jan 2022 7:55pm
Nuisance Motor Bikes In Wildbrook Drive, Bidston.
by Jobneeded67. 21st Dec 2021 12:43pm
Nuisance Motor Bikes In Wildbrook Drive, Bidston.
by Jobneeded67. 21st Dec 2021 12:17pm
News : New Topics
Sheldrakes to become private home
by Gibbo. 18th Jan 2022 1:51pm
Woodchurch Leisure centre and libraries?
by Greenwood. 11th Jan 2022 9:10am
Tony Blair Knighthood
by diggingdeeper. 7th Jan 2022 12:49pm
Dr Fauci answering Questions over Gain Of Function
by BultacoAstro. 26th Dec 2021 9:55am
Wildbrook Drive Idiotic Motorbike Riders Nuisance!
by Jobneeded67. 21st Dec 2021 12:38pm
New Enthusiast Forums
Most Haunted
by Longnails. 17th Jan 2022 10:14pm
Worth a watch ...
by GaryFromWirral. 9th Jan 2022 10:22pm
Panther & Rottweiler
by GaryFromWirral. 4th Jan 2022 5:29am
MG Midget
by Staged54. 3rd Jan 2022 9:12pm
Can You Recommend a Landscape Gardener in Wirral
by sneakypete. 14th Sep 2021 2:13pm
Popular Topics(Views 24hrs)
Wirral Sunrise Sunset
Sunrise Sun 8:10am
Sunset Sun 4:38pm
Local Time Sun 9:39am
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.1.1