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#1004690 - 18th Mar 2016 2:41pm Osborne to rethink £4bn in cuts to disability bene *****
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Pressure is mounting on George Osborne to rethink £4bn in cuts to disability benefits as a growing number of Tories express concerns about their impact.
Up to 640,000 people could have support for aids and appliances used for daily tasks either scaled back or removed.
One MP said Personal Independence Payments (PIP) were a "lifeline" while a minister said the policy was a "self-inflicted presentational problem".
George Osborne has insisted the "most vulnerable" will still be protected.
The chancellor said the overall disability budget "is going up" and ministers would be talking to colleagues and disability charities to "make sure we get this absolutely right".
'All over the place'
Labour said the cuts in support, announced last week and included in the Budget, were "shameful" and they would be forcing a vote in the House of Commons as soon as possible.
The government's slender majority means they could potentially block the plans with the support of Tory rebels and the SNP, which is also against the changes to Personal Independence Payments.

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#1004709 - 18th Mar 2016 7:30pm Re: Osborne to rethink £4bn in cuts to disability bene [Re: Mark]
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Cameron, we are doing the right and proper thing looking after the most vulnerable in our society ( but only because we've been pushed into it) damage limitation, things are starting to unravel,Gideon has jumped the gun. smack

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#1004715 - 18th Mar 2016 9:02pm Re: Osborne to rethink £4bn in cuts to disability bene [Re: Mark]
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Yeh ! yipee Ian Duncan Smith has resigned

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#1004717 - 18th Mar 2016 9:08pm Re: Osborne to rethink £4bn in cuts to disability bene [Re: Mark]
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#1004718 - 18th Mar 2016 9:11pm Re: Osborne to rethink £4bn in cuts to disability bene [Re: Mark]
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Oh yes.

First the U turn and now this!!!!!! Made up grin
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#1004721 - 18th Mar 2016 9:34pm Re: Osborne to rethink £4bn in cuts to disability bene [Re: granny]
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Yeh ! yipee Ian Duncan Smith has resigned

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#1004722 - 18th Mar 2016 9:58pm Re: Osborne to rethink £4bn in cuts to disability bene [Re: Mark]
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After reading his resignation letter I do not for one second believe that he has grown a heart!!

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#1004727 - 18th Mar 2016 11:07pm Re: Osborne to rethink £4bn in cuts to disability bene [Re: Mark]
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Virtual Facebook party going on. Not on pute so cannot copy and paste the link.

Just Facebook search 'Iain Duncan Smith Resignation party' to join the Fun
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#1004738 - 19th Mar 2016 9:59am Re: Osborne to rethink £4bn in cuts to disability bene [Re: RUDEBOX]
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I think your right Rude, all is not as it appears, ulterior motives, strange things happen when thieves fall out, why leave things to the very last minute? he has presided over some of the most vicious attacks on the poor and disabled in modern History, and now decides he has a conscience and is doing right for the country, these people only think of themselves, more like the knives are out for self preservation.

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#1004742 - 19th Mar 2016 11:22am Re: Osborne to rethink £4bn in cuts to disability bene [Re: Mark]
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Well if the welfare budget is to be brought under control,(and it HAS to be) then ANYONE who takes on that job , is going to be hated - its a poisoned chalice. Look what happened to Labour's Frank Field, and I believe he is-with the odd hiccup-- a basically a good genuine man)

Although I havent agreed with all that IDS has done , I do think he was genuinely wanting to make the system fairer. I believe wrong research information led him to make cuts in the wrong places , and frustratingly he couldnt touch pensions or child benefit to even things out. Not saying hes whiter than white but I dont think he's as bad as people think and I do believe he thinks Osbournes latest move is a cut too far.

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#1004805 - 20th Mar 2016 1:03am Re: Osborne to rethink £4bn in cuts to disability bene [Re: Mark]
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IDS was revelling in being able to achieve the unachievable by making massive cuts in areas nobody feared tread, perhaps the reality of destroying lives has actually hit him, perhaps not. I doubt if we'll ever properly find out who was setting the targets:- IDS, Osbourne or Cameron.

An FOI request has gone through the appeals and finally is about to be released which will possibly show some of what went on over Universal Credit.

Its amazing that ONLY just over 200,000 people (Feb 2016) are actually on UC, it has not scaled up anywhere near the figures that we were led to believe. 80,000 in-work and 120,000 unemployed in round terms, so about 7% of the unemployed are on UC

Lord Ashcroft is having a thinly disguised poke at Cameron ...

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While I'm on figures, there are about 2 million EU migrant workers and 1.2 million non-EU migrant workers so about 10% of our workforce are non UK citizens.
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#1004806 - 20th Mar 2016 1:24am Re: Osborne to rethink £4bn in cuts to disability bene [Re: Mark]
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IDS is a liar. So to believe anything that comes forth from him, is very difficult.
He may be campaigning for Brexit, but he can go back to Scotland with the rest of them so far as I'm concerned. All he ever did was by default and as Leader of the Tories in 2001, he had no credentials worthy of the job.

He has lived off the back of his father ,mother and ancestors to move in big places and as he only spent 6 yrs in the army (we were once, led to believe it was almost a long career)the following would indicate that he never had much staying power for anything. Give up when the water gets too hot...so to speak.
I'm glad he has gone.

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Controversy over qualifications

According to the BBC, Duncan Smith's biography on the Conservative Party website and his entry in Who's Who originally stated that he had studied at the University of Perugia in Italy. A BBC investigation in 2002 found this statement to be untrue.[8] In response to the BBC story, Duncan Smith's office stated that he had in fact attended the Universitą per Stranieri, a different institution in Perugia, for a year.[8] He did not complete his course of study, sit exams, or gain any qualifications there. Duncan Smith's biography, on the Conservative Party website, also stated that he was "educated at Dunchurch College of Management" but his office later confirmed that he did not gain any qualifications there either, that he completed six separate courses lasting a few days each, adding up to about a month in total.[8] Dunchurch was the former staff college for GEC Marconi, for whom Duncan Smith worked in the 1980s
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#1004807 - 20th Mar 2016 7:33am Re: Osborne to rethink £4bn in cuts to disability bene [Re: granny]
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He sounds like the classic cuckoo in the nest granny, Insidious Duncan Smith


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#1004826 - 20th Mar 2016 11:26am Re: Osborne to rethink £4bn in cuts to disability bene [Re: Mark]
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A the end of the day, we can't believe any thing.

As I watched the budget this week, and as George Osborn was giving his speech, the BBC clearly gave a view of Iain Duncan Smith, standing and watching Osborne as he delivered the budget.

However, IDS has told Andrew Marr this morning, that the picture was not of him on that day, as he wasn't even there for the budget, he was at a funeral !!

So, BBC are also VERY questionable with the reports and visual impacts they must falsely create for the benefit of their own spin. How disgusting, and we have to wonder how far they are responsible for so much aggravation in this country. It should be challenged at the highest level. We never seem to get the complete truth, only what media wish us to know and they twist our ability to form an honest opinion, even down to the live broadcasts !! How very clever of them.
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#1004834 - 20th Mar 2016 12:30pm Re: Osborne to rethink £4bn in cuts to disability bene [Re: Mark]
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I watched him on the Andrew Marr show. He came across as ok to me. Resigned for the right reasons and no sign of any hidden agenda.

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