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It is appalling bullish anamalistic behaviour, the microphones hardly pick up how much noise there is, it is literally deafening, speakers quite often can't hear themselves.

Numerous things are not done because of "shortage of parliamentary time" and this is how it is wasted.

They are the first to criticise entertainment and sports people when they show a bad example and yet this is the top level that runs our country.

How can people that vote for their MP not be shamed when they see their own MP behaving like this?

Just had a thought while watching the video of how it reminded me of Pleasure Island that featured in Disneys Pinochio a place were foulfellow and Gideon(now there's a coincidence)take the naughty boys, were they can misbehave smoke and drink and eat till their hearts content( sounds familiar) sadly this is were the comparisons end, they don't turn into donkeys(maybe chimps)and their noses dont grow when they tell porkies.

Isn't this the general pattern of behaviour these days, in every walk of life ? Make fun of someone else, or put another person down, to make themselves feel bigger and better.

Of course it is when those that should be setting a good example are doing exactly the opposite.

If I saw my MP behaving like that, they would get a pretty severe letter and if necessary I would start a campaign to ensure they wouldn't get selected again.

How can a teacher respond if a badly behaved child in the classroom says he's training to be an MP?

Very true granny,but these people are titled honorable, they have had the best education and the best start in life, should we not expect more from them? I get were you are coming from after watching Royal Navy school the other night, I cannot believe they were allowed to behave in that manner as recruits, I was away at sea in the MN from 16 till 24 then spent some time in the Army, the ethos was you helped each other if someone was stuck you helped them, a team effort, this didn't come through watching this programme, it was more like kindergarten than a Royal Navy training depot, standards have slipped drastically.

I do think we should expect more from them . Although I still find that video clip funny.

However, do you not think that it take about 10 years longer now for maturity to click in with the present generations. They are still behaving like university students at the age of 35, and the career politicians who come through the system, from all sides of the dispatch box , are far too young in many cases, still tied to mummy's apron strings and basically have not even had a cup of coffee with the people they are representing and don't know night from day. The up and coming 'young' politicians are even worse than the present lot, even though they have the 'gob' of a lifetime, and skills they have developed just like the bite of the vampire.
There is nothing more rude than those politicians who crash talk their way through any interview , over riding further questions or shouting down another in an attempt to drown their opponent out and thus trying to save themselves from complete embarrassment.

Go back a couple of notches, and ask who has trained them to behave like this, is it part of the University course, or skills attained once they get to Westminster ? Whichever way ,it is downright rude and counter productive to any member of the public who might actually like to hear what is being said.. Rachael Reeve being one Andy Burnham another amongst many others.

I agree on the maturity one,the system classes them at 18 as teenagers, 25 year olds are still classed as kids and in a lot of cases behave like them, most have no basic social skills,the words please and thank you have disappeared, it makes my day when driving if you give someone the right of way and they acknowledge you, or say thank you for holding a door open, the world instantly feels like a better and nicer place.

The system has gone against anyone under 25 in quite a despicable way, it should be their formative years where they progress into adults but now they are forming the wrong way as they are treated like children and they don't bother becoming adults.

Casper I said Chumps, It wasn't a typo either.I agree with everything You say, my comment was only intended for the "who are You"? as in, This was the first time I have laughed at.

Thanks for the link to the video.
Back to the EU referendum.

I'm surprised that we hear nothing from either side about anyone (or companies)having put feelers out about trade with countries not in the EU via companies or governments. Surely someone has tried to find what sort of deals we would get (maybe there have been secret meetings with various governments or companies outside the EU)if we came out of the EU.
There's been quite a bit of time since the PM started his quest for changes and I can't believe large companies haven't looked into what affect it will have on them if we vote out.
All we seem to hear is that nobody knows what will happen if we vote to come out

....and Derek, nobody really seems to know what will happen if we stay in either. So far we are only being fed what they want us to know. My thoughts are that they will make a meal of the few 'deals' and concentrate on those, but will evade the far wider picture that we are all wishing to know about. Therefore, are we ever about to get to the truth of how things will progress, one way or another ? The agreements on such few matters, are trivial in relation to the whole and final concept of the Federal Europe.

Some say we will have more control of immigration, some say we won't. In or out will have the same result. 'In' will see quotas 'dropped' on us from great heights, due to change in the rules, 'out' will see more illegals swimming across the channel. At least we would be able to send the illegals back home under our own governing. (I think)

The way things are going, i.e. Greece now refusing to attend summits,and the Schengen agreement is almost on it's arse, I should think by June, more EU eruptions will have rocked the merry band of brothers in their futuristic, unsinkable boat, and we will all be able to have an even better picture.
Rules however well secured at the time, can ALWAYS be changed as we now see in Europe.

One company director speaking the other day,said that he would like to stay in EU as where else would they get the money to develop 'driver-less' cars. ??? For goodness sake Let's think about feeding people first, those who can't afford a car or a bike.

on the question of trade with other country's. The EU export far more to US than we export to the EU. So does any one think for 1 minuet that the EU are not going to want to still sell there goods to us if { and I hope we do } leave the EU and stand on are own 2 feet.

All the relevant countries are members of the World Trade Organisation anyway.

Turns out the official immigration figures are wildly flawed ....



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So far what I have heard are genuine reasons to leave, control our borders, make our own laws, decide our trade policy. On the stay in side all I hear is scaremongering, if we leave it could take 5-10 years to set up trade, jobs may be lost, we have a say if we stay in.

Ok it may take up to 10 years to sort out "some" trade deals however I am pretty sure the main players on both sides will want a deal sorted asap, jobs I think relate to trade so will even out. Having a say if we stay in, on QT last night it was said that Cameron has had 72 bills go through the EU and lost every single one so our say must really count.

Figures like £50 million a day to stay in, however we get some back (I want to know what we get back). I don't want it goes up and down, someone must know what we have paid in and want has been paid back so TELL US.

In short I keep hearing genuine reasons to leave and how scary it MAY be if we leave.