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EU Referendum #997737
10th Jan 2016 2:26pm
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Four main aims for renegotiation.

1 Economic governance: Securing an explicit recognition that the euro is not the only currency of the European Union, to ensure countries outside the eurozone are not disadvantaged. The UK wants safeguards that it will not have to contribute to eurozone bailouts

2 Competitiveness: Setting a target for the reduction of the "burden" of excessive regulation and extending the single market

3 Immigration: Restricting access to in-work and out-of-work benefits to EU migrants. Specifically, ministers want to stop those coming to the UK from claiming certain benefits until they have been resident for four years.

4 Sovereignty: Allowing Britain to opt out from further political integration. Giving greater powers to national parliaments to block EU legislation



To me, that doesn't go near enough to spelling out what it actually means and how we would benefit in the long term. These things can always be changed and developed upon again, as has happened over the years with the so called 'Common Market'.
Is that why Maggie kept banging on about buying British, to prevent the foreign firms from moving in and taking our British companies from under our noses ?

As someone said, if we stay in we really don't know where we are all heading, and it's the unknown which is the worrying factor. Particularly when it is being run by dictatorial methods, which will only increase as the years go by.


Interestingly, Mrs Merkel is now looking at changing the policy of deporting migrants back to their homeland, after the happenings of Cologne. Funny how changes can be made when wanted rather than needed ! Just goes to prove nothing is set in concrete in Europe, just depends on the mood of the moment, who it affects and then we all get dragged in the same direction for better for worse, for richer or poorer,in sickness and in health, until death us do part !

Any thoughts ?

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Re: EU Referendum [Re: granny] #997738
10th Jan 2016 3:20pm
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I, having been a strong supporter of our membership, have changed my mind and will vote to leave.
I do not intend to enter into any discussion here as to why.


Carpe diem.
Re: EU Referendum [Re: granny] #997740
10th Jan 2016 4:09pm
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Originally Posted by granny
Interestingly, Mrs Merkel is now looking at changing the policy of deporting migrants back to their homeland, after the happenings of Cologne. Funny how changes can be made when wanted rather than needed ! Just goes to prove nothing is set in concrete in Europe, just depends on the mood of the moment, who it affects and then we all get dragged in the same direction for better for worse, for richer or poorer,in sickness and in health, until death us do part !


Just goes to show how much Germany is controlling (has taken over) Europe.

Don't forget that the Deutsch Mark has not been officially obliterated unlike most of the other European currencies. In 2011/12 they were even re-printing the Deutsch Mark.


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Re: EU Referendum [Re: granny] #997755
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Cameron has already got his deal, 3 out of the four no change on immigration he has had it since day one, he will announce those findings in due course, and laud it as a great victory for GB due to the success of all his campaining,I despair we are giving legal aid to illegals to fight deportation,British legal firms are taking actions against our armed forces, you couldnt make it up, and they wonder why they cant find enough recruits, we do have an enemy within, but its not the Trade Unions, nor the average British worker,

Re: EU Referendum [Re: granny] #997757
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Our whole GOVT to me seems corrupt, I don't see how staying in benefits the "man on the street". What worries me is they will use scare tactics so those who don't look enough in to the situation will vote how they feel is safe which is naturally "Better the devil you know"

Hard to believe the Germans lost both World Wars, 71 years later and they are in prime position politically to rule Europe anyway. Crazy crazy world we live in.

Re: EU Referendum [Re: granny] #997768
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There are many in the Government who will not be voting for staying in the EU. John Redwood being one of them. So what do they know, that we don't ?

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Re: EU Referendum [Re: chriskay] #997769
10th Jan 2016 11:53pm
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Originally Posted by chriskay
I, having been a strong supporter of our membership, have changed my mind and will vote to leave.
I do not intend to enter into any discussion here as to why.
same here ,i do not want to say why.

Re: EU Referendum [Re: granny] #997771
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Will vote to Stay In. Not saying why raftl


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Re: EU Referendum [Re: granny] #997792
11th Jan 2016 10:22am
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Not given enough facts and figures to have an informed opinion myself.
Where are the TV debates etc

If we come out, would it give gov enough powers (having a majority it has) to drasticly trample over workers rights and further their agendas?)

I can foresee the PM coming back waving a piece of paper telling us how well he's done in his negotiations.

eg

The phrase "peace for our time" was spoken on 30 September 1938 by British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain in his speech concerning the Munich Agreement and the Anglo-German Declaration.

The phrase echoed Benjamin Disraeli, who upon returning from the Congress of Berlin in 1878 stated "I have returned from Germany with peace for our time.

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Re: EU Referendum [Re: chriskay] #997818
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I also will be voting to leave


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Re: EU Referendum [Re: granny] #997825
11th Jan 2016 3:37pm
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I am going to ask my Grandson what he would do if he were able to vote.This is about their future,people knocking on heavens door should do the same.When you look at our Monarchy, currency, closed borders and the big money laundrette in London, we have never really been in the EU.Lower the voting age to sixteen and no vote for people over whatever is the retirement age at the time of the referendum.The future belongs to them.

Re: EU Referendum [Re: granny] #997851
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I can see Cameron getting just enough changes to top the balance even though it will be far from perfect.

Losing the veto would be a big step in our control of Europe. I can see me voting to stay in even though I'm strongly against the EEC - keep your friends close and your enemies closer!

We need to have clearer rules in this country what powers the government have without calling a referendum, its pathetic that we had a referendum for the common market which was quite a minor thing compared to the powers we have transferred to Europe since.


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Re: EU Referendum [Re: granny] #997862
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Out for me..

Re: EU Referendum [Re: derekdwc] #997864
11th Jan 2016 7:39pm
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if we come out then no Government now, or in the future' will be able to hide behind EU rules and will answer to us, the voters, instead

Re: EU Referendum [Re: dustymclean] #997865
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really, most of them can't tie their own shoelaces let alone the idea of voting

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