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Poundland no better either. My niece was given a job and trained up with them . soon as she got to the age they have to pay the higher minimum wage its goodbye and they take on another load of 16 year olds. Sadly there is nothing new about that.Back in the 60s, Woolworths ( and I imagine others) were notorious for employing youngsters on low pay until they were 18 then getting rid.
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Since Thatcher crippled the unions, we are seeing more and more of this sort of thing. And how many years were Labour in power to redress the situation, but didn't? We haven't had a Labour government since Thatcher, some right-wingers hijacked the name. Poundland no better either. My niece was given a job and trained up with them . soon as she got to the age they have to pay the higher minimum wage its goodbye and they take on another load of 16 year olds. The back door method of reducing wages.
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Liverpool has been a container port since around 1972, as shipping moved away from general cargo handling, which resulted in the South end docks in Liverpool closing and then Birkenhead docks followed, as you say a lot of union activity was mounted to try and save jobs which is only natural, as the workforce shrunk from in its heyday 14,000 jobs to a few thousand, Liverpool also had to contend with other ports that werent tidal and so more attractive to shippers along with the shift in areas of trade, with unions I suppose there are good and bad from my own point of view they looked after me without them I would have lost my pension and lots of other rights as well, so just speaking as I find.
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Since Thatcher crippled the unions, we are seeing more and more of this sort of thing. And how many years were Labour in power to redress the situation, but didn't? Have to agree. Many points raised can be thrown back into the wonderful 15yrs of Labour Government. Schemes that kept the school leavers off the unemployment list. schemes that paid the employer for 12 months or more if they took someone off the unemployment register. Then the company would have to pay them, schemes that changed and increased the amount of time from one year to two years employment before being classed as permanent staff. Casual work , having to leave a job after three months and then reapply for the job so as not to become permanent. No regular hours. Plus there is nothing wrong with having three jobs to keep the home fires burning, Casper. I had three jobs and didn't once claim benefits. That was is the late 90's and it was an acceptable practice where I was living at the time. Many had more than one job. Not a problem if you were able to work ! Different job, different day ,different place. So what ? Example: take a school leaver on for paid work experience, get the allowance and then after the incentive expires get rid of that person and get another . Makes sense doesn't it, from the employers and government position ? Keeps the business rolling, keeps the unemployment figures down and keeps the productivity up. Similar schemes for university graduates. Take on a university graduate without any experience, rather than promoting someone already within the company and get the wages for the first twelve months/two years paid for by the government. Labour put us into a horrible place with behind the scenes schemes, took in 3 million migrants, told us they would do the jobs we didn't want. We were desperate for jobs. Most full time jobs were re-advertised as part time on minimum wage. Working over a seven day week as the tourist industry and service industry was the direction they took us in. Many, many women had to and still do work weekends now, forgetting the family life we shared . Sitting around the table together as a family on a Sunday, is a distant memory for many. Many kids bored and unsupervised at weekends due to lack of parental presence. Labour destroyed our way of life and although things aren't much better now, please admit to the so many wrongs that they were responsible for , the things that saw the Tory party voted in , in 2010. You might not like Cameron, but I hated Blair and his cronies! He destroyed this country.
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I didn't imply there was anything wrong with working at three jobs granny, many people have to, my point was it is becoming the norm and of course their are many that would find it impossible because of family commitments, and one person doing three jobs is taking a job off someone with no job at all, and as dd stated we didn't have a Labour party under Blair they just hijacked the name, no sorry I stand corrected it became New Labour.
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and as dd stated we didn't have a Labour party under Blair they just hijacked the name, no sorry I stand corrected it became New Labour. They changed the name because Old Labour was totally discredited and unelectable, just like Corbyn's lot.
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and as dd stated we didn't have a Labour party under Blair they just hijacked the name, no sorry I stand corrected it became New Labour. They changed the name because Old Labour was totally discredited and unelectable, just like Corbyn's lot. How could Old Labour be discredited? They never had a clear majority in government. The last time Labour had a clear majority was before WW2 I think?
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Why should a party require a majority in order to be discredited? It's the fact that they are discredited which causes them to not have a majority.
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Because you can only discredit something that's happened, any other discreditation is just smoke and mirrors.
Saying that, my definition of discredit seems adrift from the dictionary, I thought it had to be factual.
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Lets face it all political parties dont do what we require of them, as to Corbyn he is offering something that is on everyones wish list a goverernment that listens, time and time again we see corruption, theft and lies on all sides and it continues, after half hearted promises and attempts at control.
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In fact Corbyn is being ridiculed for his lack of being a dictator.
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No Corbyn being ridiculed is because he is ridiculous . Don't care what you say about appearance not mattering. It does. Saw him on tv the other day riding his bike , looked like a tramp. Other countries must be laughing their socks off when they see him. Still say he lives in la la land. Sorry don't think he's any kind of leader .
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Perhaps Corbyn will put things right when he gets elected?
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Parties in opposition or a position of forlorn hope always offer what the electorate want. Some Labour Party supporters act like born again Christians as if the past never happened and those Tories (Blair Prescott and Maxwell) to name a few were ever a part of "US" Almost everything Prescott touched turned to manure Brown manure.I could go on.Take ownership of past mistakes or we don't have a future.I daubt there is such a status as "lack of being a dictator"."A socialist is", no political party needed, go forward and practice it and we will live in a better place.
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Because you can only discredit something that's happened, any other discreditation is just smoke and mirrors.
Saying that, my definition of discredit seems adrift from the dictionary, I thought it had to be factual. So, when you discovered that your definition of discredit was wrong, why didn't you just delete the first paragraph? Oh, Attlee's 1945 government had a huge majority (referring to your previous post). I think "smoke & mirrors" is a pretty good description of Corbyn's policies: it doesn't matter what fine ideas you have, they still have to be paid for.
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