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Manslaughter would not fit in the space!

I have very carefully read all the other posts and none of them prove murder.

I'm still wondering how Green and Blakeley find the grafitti mysogenist?

Every one of these is a tragedy,nobody would deny that but if you study the individual cases, I have just chosen a few at random, you will see that some happened prior to the Government assuming power in May 2010 or were not related to benefits.Elaine Christian died in Feb 2010, Sandra Louise Moon died in 2008, Karen Sherlock was declared fit for work and her benefits were stopped in April 2010,Leanne Chambers died in Feb 2010, Paul Reekie in June 2010, one month after Tories came in so could hardly be blamed.Martin Hadfield killed himself because he could not find a job.

...and which Government set up ATOS ?


Atos Healthcare was part of a serious controversy in the UK over Work Capability Assessment introduced in 2008 to determine who should receive employment and support allowance

I think calling Esther McVey a murderer is SO oversimplified and naive it's untrue. Where were all the rabid tory haters when Blair led us into war - how many on both sides were killed then and we are still living with the consequences. I'm not a tory, or labour supporter, I pretty much think they are all in for at they can get for themselves. It just depresses me that some of the comments on this forum support such hate and vitriol,which detracts from a reasoned debate of serious issues.
Rant over.

ATOS never made decisions, the DWP made decisions.

The Work Capability Assessment that ATOS worked was changed to make it significantly harder in 2011 by the Tory Government.

The basic flaw in the Work Capability assessment was not taking into account stamina and repeatability, if you could pick up a cup of tea once a week it was assumed you could always pick up a cup of tea and hence were not significantly disabled.

It was a typical example of the Government contracting out for the wrong reasons, not so much to make things cheaper or more efficient but to avert blame, ATOS bore the brunt of the DWP decisions. Because ATOS had many more contracts, they were more than pleased to dump the WCA contract as it was doing their reputation no good.

Put quite simply, all the goalposts were moved for an already hard to get benefit.

That probably sums it up but still does not make either McVey or Smith into a murderer.
Of course we must remember that many people complain on here and elsewhere about "benefit scroungers" so something needed and still needs to be done to try to make things fairer and to make work worth more than benefits.That is a situation which has existed for many many years. I well recall an article round about 1975 which gave case histories of people who were going to work for £1 (a single pound) more than had they gone on benefits. I am not sure what that has to do with this thread but serves to show that in 50 years benefits have pretty musc paid as much as working.

About £9.10 in todays terms.http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-1633409/Historic-inflation-calculator-value-money-changed-1900.html

If only life was uncomplicated - however, a lot of the time it isn't and finding out facts that are often deeply buried takes a long time. 'Who said what' is not sufficient, only the facts will do. Most of us will leave this mortal coil never having got to the truth.

PS- it is 40 years, not 50.

It seems to me that people who stoop so low as to do things like this are so thick they should be locked up. I believe in a free vote and don't really have any preference for any party at the moment, however people who feel they have to perform as these idiots have performed, have to my mind no place in our society.
There is only one thing that I think of these people and it is the thing that we flush down our toilets daily. Begins with S and ends with T, answers on a postcard.