WikiWirral Online with you since 2003, fantastic.
Forum Statistics
Posts1,010,753
Topics74,660
Members12,792
Forums66
Posts in last 24hrs36
Most Online7,831
Apr 8th, 2013
Who's Online Now
62 registered members (baldybrewer, 14 invisible), 1,057 guests, and327 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Social Media : Follow Us


Popular Topics(Views 7days)
169 Dynasties
34 J.F.K
New General Forums
The Darling Buds of May
by diggingdeeper. 15th Nov 2018 1:08pm
Book batteries.
by venice. 13th Nov 2018 8:54am
J.F.K
by cools. 12th Nov 2018 12:44pm
Happy Birthday Detecting Wirral and Roobarb
by snowhite. 12th Nov 2018 10:58am
New Wirral History
Rock Ferry boat disaster 1834?
by yoller. 9th Nov 2018 10:10am
Birkenhead riots
by yoller. 6th Nov 2018 9:13am
Mersey ferries, 1840s
by yoller. 28th Oct 2018 2:01pm
756 Scrap Yard Wallasey Road Liscard
by derekdwc. 16th Oct 2018 8:00pm
1970's Murder in Central Park, Wallasey
by cutespam. 4th Aug 2018 11:28am
Forum Tips
Photo Gallery Forums
WW1 Monument, Birkenhead
No more bridge, never be the same
Topic Replies
Gay Stress
by casper. 18th Nov 2018 2:30pm
Shen Yun at Empire Theatre
by fish5133. 18th Nov 2018 1:07pm
320d won't pass emission test
by fish5133. 18th Nov 2018 12:46pm
What song are you listening to?
by eggandchips. 18th Nov 2018 12:44pm
FOUND - Car key
by Brown_Horrocks. 18th Nov 2018 12:05pm
Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 2
by Maxman2000x. 17th Nov 2018 10:36pm
£2bn Extra for NHS
by diggingdeeper. 17th Nov 2018 8:31pm
Dynasties
by cools. 17th Nov 2018 9:54am
Best Fuel Prices Wirral
by diggingdeeper. 17th Nov 2018 12:17am
November
M T W T F S S
1 2 3 4
5 6 7 8 9 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30
Recent Posts : What's On ?
Shen Yun at Empire Theatre
by fish5133. 18th Nov 2018 1:07pm
Wirral Quilters Exhibition
by Greenwood. 12th Nov 2018 12:10pm
Previous Topic
Next Topic
Print Topic
Rate Topic
Page 2 of 4 1 2 3 4
Re: Prenton Aldi : Car parking Charge Notice [Re: Emlou19] #937171
25th Mar 2015 10:13pm
25th Mar 2015 10:13pm
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 194
Wallasey
B
Blueskier Offline
Enthusiast
Blueskier  Offline
Enthusiast
B
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 194
Wallasey
The driver is always responsible under POFA 2012 however if the keeper does not reveal who the driver was at the time then they can be held liable. That is law, however it is a civil matter.
Parking eye do take some cases to court but if you appeal then go through POPLA using the correct terminology it will be accepted.
I have had several (10 or so) done this way, several for posters on this site..
Get it killed off rather than have it drag on and hang over you.

Google Ads
Re: Prenton Aldi : Car parking Charge Notice [Re: Emlou19] #937488
26th Mar 2015 10:11pm
26th Mar 2015 10:11pm
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 21,194
Wirral
Mark Offline

Wiki Master
Mark  Offline

Wiki Master
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 21,194
Wirral
You Must be logged in to see the images

** Please Note these Signs can change or be moved **
These are the signs seen today, At the Prenton Aldi, Home and Bargain Car Park.

Parking Eye is Running the Private Parking March 26th 2015
These are the Signs that are visible today.

Google Maps View. Approach to the car park.

[Linked Image]

As you Turn in to the Car park (Yes easy to see if your standing still).

[Linked Image]

Close up
[Linked Image]

In the car park I could only see 2 Signs on posts.
These i noticed are facing away from the Stores.

[Linked Image]

Outside Aldi's Entrance
[Linked Image]

Outside Home and Bargin
[Linked Image]

Close up of the Sign
[Linked Image]

Close up of the Terms : See Closer Click Me
[Linked Image]

The ANPR Camera's on the Sign post in the middle of the car park. (See above).
Strange how the Terms and Conditions on the Yellow Sign is a Sticker, that could come off.

Last edited by Mark; 27th Mar 2015 8:54am.

My Avatar images are all from the Wirral Gallery.Click Me
Wow Wirral History is coming along Great! Wirral History

we get +200 new members a month now smile
Re: Prenton Aldi : Car parking Charge Notice [Re: Emlou19] #937514
27th Mar 2015 1:08am
27th Mar 2015 1:08am
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 194
Wallasey
B
Blueskier Offline
Enthusiast
Blueskier  Offline
Enthusiast
B
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 194
Wallasey
Well done Mark for taking the time to get those pictures.
Adds extra points on the appeal. Entrance signage is inadequate.

Reminded me that i have actually defeated these shysters on behalf of my Aunt at this very location.

If the original poster wants to PM me i will happily advise directly but all the info is on pepipoo or parking prankster (who is humorous as well).

Re: Prenton Aldi : Car parking Charge Notice [Re: Emlou19] #937515
27th Mar 2015 1:26am
27th Mar 2015 1:26am
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 658
Wirral
G
GeeMeister Offline
Smartchild
GeeMeister  Offline
Smartchild
G
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 658
Wirral
As much as I despise people being charged excessively for parking I can't agree that entrance signage is inadequate as they appear in the photos as pretty adequate to me. I know I may be missing the point but they can be seen.

Re: Prenton Aldi : Car parking Charge Notice [Re: Emlou19] #937533
27th Mar 2015 8:59am
27th Mar 2015 8:59am
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 21,194
Wirral
Mark Offline

Wiki Master
Mark  Offline

Wiki Master
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 21,194
Wirral
Ive just added a new image to my post above. Ive included now Street View Approach to the car park.

If you enter the car park in street view you can see the old signs which were even worse at the entrance. Pre ANPR.

Highway Code signs have red triangles for warnings why do these car parks not include an eye catching red sign with 70 fine in big letters. A drivers brain reads warnings, blue signs are information.


My Avatar images are all from the Wirral Gallery.Click Me
Wow Wirral History is coming along Great! Wirral History

we get +200 new members a month now smile
Re: Prenton Aldi : Car parking Charge Notice [Re: Emlou19] #937701
28th Mar 2015 12:46am
28th Mar 2015 12:46am
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 658
Wirral
G
GeeMeister Offline
Smartchild
GeeMeister  Offline
Smartchild
G
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 658
Wirral
You make a good point over signage colour. Our brains become trained to our environment. Legislation covers road sign design including colour and font size but it doesn't cover 'off road' or private signs. To cover themselves, most companies only need to erect a single advisory notice. It is open to abuse.

Re: Prenton Aldi : Car parking Charge Notice [Re: Emlou19] #937704
28th Mar 2015 6:23am
28th Mar 2015 6:23am
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 194
Wallasey
B
Blueskier Offline
Enthusiast
Blueskier  Offline
Enthusiast
B
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 194
Wallasey
GeeMeister, Afraid you are wrong with regards to the private companies only needing to erect a single sign and about the design, colours and fonts.
There are strict conditions in the BPA code of practice with regards to all of the above and other criteria in respect of signage.
Having inadequate signage means that a contract has not been formed with the driver so conditions can not be enforced.
Plenty of case History of cases being dismissed due to inadequate signage.

Re: Prenton Aldi : Car parking Charge Notice [Re: Emlou19] #937708
28th Mar 2015 7:39am
28th Mar 2015 7:39am
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 658
Wirral
G
GeeMeister Offline
Smartchild
GeeMeister  Offline
Smartchild
G
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 658
Wirral
Thanks for that Blueskier, I happily accept i'm wrong, its so easy to become out of date with such information.

Re: Prenton Aldi : Car parking Charge Notice [Re: Emlou19] #937849
28th Mar 2015 5:00pm
28th Mar 2015 5:00pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,105
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,105
Birkenhead
There is a third sign on the building at the park end as well, so five signs with terms and conditions plus the entrance sign, I'd say in this case they have it pretty much covered.


In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

We should judge our economy by the absence of poverty, not the number of billionaires - Jeremy Corbyn
Re: Prenton Aldi : Car parking Charge Notice [Re: Emlou19] #937932
28th Mar 2015 9:30pm
28th Mar 2015 9:30pm
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 329
Wirral
S
Santos Offline
Old Hand
Santos  Offline
Old Hand
S
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 329
Wirral
I would have thought that ALDI would have wanted to attract customers rather than discourage them by employing car park control. We shop at Tesco Bidston and a few times have forgotten to buy an item. I have returned within four hours to buy it or them so as to finish the shopping. If they had this kind of control on their car park, I would certainly think about changing where I shopped.

Re: Prenton Aldi : Car parking Charge Notice [Re: diggingdeeper] #937933
28th Mar 2015 9:32pm
28th Mar 2015 9:32pm
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 683
Wallasey
Norton Online Reading

Veteran
Norton  Online Reading

Veteran
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 683
Wallasey
I wonder if they got planning permission to erect those signs?

Does the small print pass muster for people with close vision problems?

Is the sticker just hiding the original text that had to be re-worded for legal reasons?

Just a thought.

Re: Prenton Aldi : Car parking Charge Notice [Re: Emlou19] #937944
28th Mar 2015 9:55pm
28th Mar 2015 9:55pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,105
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,105
Birkenhead
Most non-illuminated signs below a certain size and height with text below a certain size etc etc are exempt from planning permission.

There is a minimum vision criteria for drivers additionally the signs probably meet the guidelines which are indirectly compulsory, Parking eye are daft, they know the rules.


In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

We should judge our economy by the absence of poverty, not the number of billionaires - Jeremy Corbyn
Re: Prenton Aldi : Car parking Charge Notice [Re: diggingdeeper] #938127
29th Mar 2015 12:54pm
29th Mar 2015 12:54pm
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 194
Wallasey
B
Blueskier Offline
Enthusiast
Blueskier  Offline
Enthusiast
B
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 194
Wallasey
Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
Parking eye are daft, they know the rules.


Glad we agree on something.
Leaving the signage aside, lets explore the not a genuine pre-estimate of loss argument? Golden bullet at POPLA.
In a civil case the LANDOWNER can claim damages for any loss suffered in cases of trespass or or breach of contract (as is suggested here) flowing directly from the breach.
For an idea of how PE operate look here. http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/government-announces-clamp-down-on.html#comment-form
What are the genuine loss for overstaying in a free car park? Usually 100 according to PE. Really?

Last edited by Blueskier; 29th Mar 2015 12:56pm. Reason: Additional information.
Re: Prenton Aldi : Car parking Charge Notice [Re: Emlou19] #938198
29th Mar 2015 4:17pm
29th Mar 2015 4:17pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,105
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,105
Birkenhead
Loss is assessed for things outside contract, if you have a contract with an agreed price then loss (or amount of profit) doesn't come into it.

You cannot agree a price with someone then renegue on it after the service/item has been provided, that is theft.


In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

We should judge our economy by the absence of poverty, not the number of billionaires - Jeremy Corbyn
Re: Prenton Aldi : Car parking Charge Notice [Re: diggingdeeper] #938322
30th Mar 2015 6:50am
30th Mar 2015 6:50am
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 194
Wallasey
B
Blueskier Offline
Enthusiast
Blueskier  Offline
Enthusiast
B
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 194
Wallasey
Really?
Google Dunlop v New Tyre Co.
I dont mean to be condescending but your approach on this matter would lead me to believe you may well have a vested interest in such matters.
You seem to quote the same arguments as the PCC's.

Page 2 of 4 1 2 3 4

Moderated by  Mod 

Random Wirral Images

Click to View Topic.
Newest Topics
Gay Stress
by fish5133. 18th Nov 2018 1:01pm
FOUND - Car key
by Brown_Horrocks. 18th Nov 2018 12:05pm
£2bn Extra for NHS
by diggingdeeper. 16th Nov 2018 3:27pm
Shen Yun at Empire Theatre
by granny. 16th Nov 2018 12:32pm
The Hooton Hotel
by venice. 13th Nov 2018 4:55pm
For Sale & Free
Pro Fitness Exercise Bike
by rhoobarb2002. 10th Nov 2018 2:52pm
PC Peripherals
by Catsick. 10th Nov 2018 1:54pm
Ipad Mini 4 128gb
by Catsick. 10th Nov 2018 1:47pm
Raleigh Evo 7 Speed Folding Bicycle
by Catsick. 10th Nov 2018 1:19pm
Gainward Nvidia GTX 770 - £30
by rhoobarb2002. 9th Nov 2018 3:05pm
Member Spotlight
TRANCENTRAL
TRANCENTRAL
Underground
Posts: 13,487
Joined: April 2008
Show All Member Profiles 
Newest Members
bazza1983, joel9, Gibbo2191, Quensh, marcjday
12792 Registered Users
Today's Birthdays
eggandchips (65)
New Wirral Info
Shen Yun at Empire Theatre
by granny. 16th Nov 2018 12:32pm
The Hooton Hotel
by venice. 13th Nov 2018 4:55pm
Wirral Quilters Exhibition
by Greenwood. 12th Nov 2018 12:10pm
Pension or Lump Sum
by fish5133. 9th Nov 2018 11:24pm
Stop a second referndum.
by granny. 1st Nov 2018 10:45pm
News : New Topics
FOUND - Car key
by Brown_Horrocks. 18th Nov 2018 12:05pm
£2bn Extra for NHS
by diggingdeeper. 16th Nov 2018 3:27pm
Taxi Drivers and Drugs
by diggingdeeper. 6th Nov 2018 4:25pm
Birkenhead tip on fire
by assassin. 6th Nov 2018 12:11am
New Enthusiast Forums
Gay Stress
by fish5133. 18th Nov 2018 1:01pm
WWI's Secret Shame:
by granny. 13th Nov 2018 9:35am
320d won't pass emission test
by DavidB. 13th Nov 2018 1:59am
Dynasties
by cools. 12th Nov 2018 11:38am
Waterfront
by cools. 10th Nov 2018 10:50am
Popular Topics(Views 24hrs)
Wirral Sunrise Sunset
Sunrise Sun 7:44am
Sunset Sun 4:10pm
Local Time Sun 3:20pm
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.1.1