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#934925 - 18th Mar 2015 1:54pm Re: The Budget 2015 Live [Re: Mark]
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#934928 - 18th Mar 2015 2:03pm Re: The Budget 2015 Live [Re: Mark]
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So that means I would've been paying only £3.79 a pint in Solihull last weekend instead of £3.80, just missed out again.
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#934932 - 18th Mar 2015 2:19pm Re: The Budget 2015 Live [Re: Mark]
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Nice to see the government caring about the health of society yet again.

Quote:
Statistics on alcohol

More than 9 million people in England drink more than the recommended daily limits

In England, in 2012 there were 6,490 alcohol-related deaths, a 19% increase compared to 2001

Alcohol is 10% of the UK burden of disease and death, making alcohol one of the three biggest lifestyle risk factors for disease and death in the UK, after smoking and obesity.

An estimated 7.5 million people are unaware of the damage their drinking could be causing

Alcohol misuse costs England around £21bn per year in healthcare, crime and lost productivity costs

The most effective strategies to reduce alcohol-related harm from a public health perspective include, in rank order, price increases, restrictions on the physical availability of alcohol, drink-driving counter measures, brief interventions with at-risk drinkers, and treatment of drinkers with alcohol dependence

Alcohol is 61% more affordable than it was in 1980


£21bn cost to healthcare out of an industry that is only worth £37bn of which the government only gets a percentage.
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#934957 - 18th Mar 2015 4:47pm Re: The Budget 2015 Live [Re: Mark]
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What Gideon didn't say.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/what-didnt-george-osborne-tell-5357788

You can waste a lot of time talking about what George Osborne said in his budget speech.

“Britain is paying its way in the world today.”

Why can I hear the Cheers theme tune?

“Choose the future.”

Who’d seriously choose something else?

“The jobless claimant count is the lowest since 1975.”

Because they’re all in work or because you’ve stopped them claiming in the first place?

As long as you talk about what he said, you won’t get anywhere. His logic is so circular that it’s like going down a rabbit hole, and you’ll never get out if you go in there without a torch.

It’s far better to steer clear of his logic altogether, and instead look at all the things he DIDN’T say.

And my, what a lot of stuff there was.

PAThe Budget 2015Hidden messages: FSF says this was a budget for the few
He talked about a “Northern powerhouse”, which’d be a great thing if he was serious enough about it that he’d started work on it in 2010.

Sadly he left it until six weeks before a general election , and threw in a promise of better rail links – all of which would come AFTER the monstrous HS2 rail link which is sucking £50bn out of the coffers already.

He talked about a lucky fall in the oil price, and then announced a 10% tax cut to North Sea oil producers. If you listened to him you’d think this was all marvellous, but the truth is the drop in oil price is devastating jobs in Scotland and the subsidy will cost us £1.3bn.

He said he was selling off £9bn of shares in Lloyds, getting back the taxpayers’ money which Labour had so recklessly bailed them out with.

Yet if the bailout hadn’t happened it’d be like Lord of the Flies out there, and those Lloyds shares had finally started paying dividends – we were making money out of the bailout, and now he’s stopped it.

It’ll be said he’s done something for first-time buyers by promising a new ISA that will add £50 to every £200 people save for a home.

Except giving people money to buy homes, without building new homes, just pushes up the price of the existing homes. Thus making the ISA redundant fairly quickly, and benefitting older home owners far more than first time buyers.

Housing crisis
23%
of working people claim housing benefit

34%
of private renters have moved in last year

652,000
people living in overcrowded accommodation

120,000
houses currently built a year

245,000
houses needed to supply demand

National Housing Federation
He announced all under-21s would be taken out of National Insurance – but most don’t qualify anyway, being either in education or not earning enough.

He said there were more jobs created in Yorkshire than all of France. But employment fell in France, so anywhere with one new job could say the same.

In short if you drill through all the slightly skewy things George said down to the rich seam of motivation running underneath it, he told 16m people to get stuffed.

That’s how many people could have voted in 2010 but didn’t , and doesn’t include the 7.5m who aren’t registered at all . After an hour on his feet George Osborne gave them no reason to do different in 2015.

Single parents, ethnic minorities, the disillusioned, the poorly paid, students, the disabled who in many cases don’t even get wheelchair access at polling stations – you can go hang.

The budget was for people who vote, and vote regularly.

It was for pensioners, and homeowners, and business people. It was for those who already have a mortgage, two cars and three children – not those who want them.

It was for those who want tax relief on their savings , not people who don’t have a hope of saving anything.

It was for those who’ll see “help to buy a house” and not do the simple maths that, actually, he’s made house prices rise.


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It did nothing about the bedroom tax , tuition fees, people who rely on food banks, those on in-work benefits, the disabled who want to work and find themselves sanctioned for being too ill to go for a job that’s inappropriate anyway.

Budget 2015: What it means for you

Fundamentally, it was a budget for people who are comfortable enough they don’t need to bother with maths.

If you are one of those who counts every penny, and therefore know the price of a pint of milk, a cold that keeps you off work or a new tyre for the car, maths is important enough you can see his sums don’t add up.

They just go round, and round, and round – a never-ending equation of “if you vote, we’ll persuade you to vote again, and if you don’t we don’t care”.

And the net result, after inflation and in real terms, is that those who don’t or cannot vote get turned further away from doing so.

The narrower and shallower the electorate becomes, the more George Osborne’s logic is accepted and the more people disengage from politics. It’s Catch-22, because the only way to engage people is to make policies for them but they won’t make policies for anyone who’s not engaged.


It’s depressing, and disgusting, and that’s why the Budget today was nothing but a series of bad sums used as bribes to the few who are wealthy enough not to care.

But one thing he said was true – you can choose the future you live in.

You can choose Osborne’s rabbit hole, or you can choose to vote and show him you exist and that you matter.

The more of the millions he doesn’t care about who get up on their hind legs and walk or crawl to vote, the more he and future chancellors will have to notice you.

If you sit at home, they’ll only notice what you cost – and then they’ll cut it, without asking if you mind.

You can register to vote up until April 20. It doesn’t cost anything or incur a tax – if you’re studying, disabled, renting, or worried, sign up here and make your mark.

If you don’t, you’re telling George he can carry on ignoring you.

Don’t let him.
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#934964 - 18th Mar 2015 5:25pm Re: The Budget 2015 Live [Re: Mark]
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Since when, exactly, was Democracy meant to represent people who do NOT vote?

Oh wait, I think I know!! Could it possibly have been when Labour last failed to win a general election?

Are the left now seriously arguing that we are now supposed to count all the eligible people who DO NOT VOTE as Labour votes?

What arrant nonsense!!!

Since when was it wrong for any Government to do what their electorate gave them a mandate to do?

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#934973 - 18th Mar 2015 6:43pm Re: The Budget 2015 Live [Re: Mark]
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Bloody Hell Rude!! Where do i put a tick to have you elected? lol. That was a better assessment than most i have heard or read. I don't agree with all that you put especially regarding your spat about home owners etc but I understand your meaning.
Since when was it wrong for a Government to do what their electorate gave them a mandate to do? We live in a democracy and so I have no choice but to accept this present lot. I did not give them my permission to turn neighbour against neighbour and calling the unemployed scum or treat the disabled with distain and contempt. I did not ask them to take away students EMA or increase the cost of higher education. I did not ask them to make piecemeal cuts to the NHS to name but a few things. This government were not elected in the normal sense but rather by default. This government is also intending to double the amount of cuts already made in 2015/16 and 2017/18. There is much worse to come if re-elected.


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#934974 - 18th Mar 2015 6:50pm Re: The Budget 2015 Live [Re: CVCVCV]
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Originally Posted By: CVCVCV
Since when, exactly, was Democracy meant to represent people who do NOT vote?

Oh wait, I think I know!! Could it possibly have been when Labour last failed to win a general election?

Are the left now seriously arguing that we are now supposed to count all the eligible people who DO NOT VOTE as Labour votes?

What arrant nonsense!!!

Since when was it wrong for any Government to do what their electorate gave them a mandate to do?
Missed the point a touch CVCVCV. It is about encouraging non-voters to stand up and vote. I agree with you- don't vote, then don't whinge. P.S cool your jets!
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#934976 - 18th Mar 2015 6:54pm Re: The Budget 2015 Live [Re: GeeMeister]
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Originally Posted By: GeeMeister
Bloody Hell Rude!! Where do i put a tick to have you elected? lol. That was a better assessment than most i have heard or read. I don't agree with all that you put especially regarding your spat about home owners etc but I understand your meaning.
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You got it wrong G. That was the article written in the Daily Mirror, not one of Rude's.
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#934977 - 18th Mar 2015 6:56pm Re: The Budget 2015 Live [Re: Mark]
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Doh! Got it wrong again frown

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#934979 - 18th Mar 2015 7:00pm Re: The Budget 2015 Live [Re: GeeMeister]
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Originally Posted By: GeeMeister
Bloody Hell Rude!! Where do i put a tick to have you elected? lol. That was a better assessment than most i have heard or read. I don't agree with all that you put especially regarding your spat about home owners etc but I understand your meaning.
Since when was it wrong for a Government to do what their electorate gave them a mandate to do? We live in a democracy and so I have no choice but to accept this present lot. I did not give them my permission to turn neighbour against neighbour and calling the unemployed scum or treat the disabled with distain and contempt. I did not ask them to take away students EMA or increase the cost of higher education. I did not ask them to make piecemeal cuts to the NHS to name but a few things. This government were not elected in the normal sense but rather by default. This government is also intending to double the amount of cuts already made in 2015/16 and 2017/18. There is much worse to come if re-elected.
I did not write it but it is pretty much how I view the the Budget....and the people who do not use their vote. £12 BILLION in cuts, I believe Geemeister!!! £12 BILLION!!! They won't have any 'group' left to demonise and attack....

See this thread which regards the non- voters and how they could help change the situation, for the better.

http://www.wikiwirral.co.uk/forums/ubbth...html#Post925495
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#934985 - 18th Mar 2015 7:06pm Re: The Budget 2015 Live [Re: Mark]
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I wish people would remember the efforts that our forebears had gone through so that we can now vote, it was not that long ago and also realise what life would be like if we didn't have the vote. It's a hard won right and people should use it even if its to choose the best of a bad lot, not matter which side your allegiance lies.

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#934989 - 18th Mar 2015 7:11pm Re: The Budget 2015 Live [Re: Mark]
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Originally Posted By: Mark
wow 1p off a pint lol


You can just see it can't you:

Cameron "But what about the plebs?"
Osbourne " We will knock a penny off their beer"
Cameron " A penny?"
Osbourne " Yeah, it's a lot of money to them"

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#934995 - 18th Mar 2015 7:16pm Re: The Budget 2015 Live [Re: Mark]
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I have recently re-connected with my Sociology and History teacher from Secondary School, I was fascinated as a youngster by the Suffragette Movement. Of course, I know now that at G.C.S.E Level we were taught a rather 'cleansed' version - I digress- but yes, I agree with you!!!

Even 'The Mill' watchers must have some awareness of recent struggles?? I suppose many just 'half-watched it' and not really understood....or cared.

Me? I noted and googled Historic Events mentioned, to learn more. Lol grin
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#935000 - 18th Mar 2015 7:19pm Re: The Budget 2015 Live [Re: palemoon]
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Originally Posted By: palemoon
Originally Posted By: Mark
wow 1p off a pint lol


You can just see it can't you:

Cameron "But what about the plebs?"
Osbourne " We will knock a penny off their beer"
Cameron " A penny?"
Osbourne " Yeah, it's a lot of money to them"
laffin Thats the working class vote sorted!!! 'Oh Gideon, they will be so grateful and vote for us in their droves'.
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