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Oh dear Frank, that's not strictly true is it? the results were to the general election no overall party with a Majority, this would have resulted in a hung parliament.

So there we go, a defective unelected government propped up by the also ran party, so much for democracy, rule by default, but lets face it they will use any insidious method they can to cling on to power, but at least you believe in them Frank, don't you?

Both Labour and Conservative have benefitted at times from "first past the post" being the party that lost the popular vote but won the most seats


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Sounds fair Derek, the whole rotten structure we have now needs overhauling.

We have had the AV referendum and quite clearly, the people do not want it. PR has one major flaw and Tony Benn pointed it out many years ago.

"If you vote somebody in then you must be able to vote them out."

Can't you vote them out now at election time?

As far as I know it was the 600+ mps who threw pr out, not the majority of people. Frightened Tories and Labour scared stiff at losing their seats (those around trough mainly)
I forgot - you voted me in - so you have given me permission to do whatever I want to do whether you like it or not

wasn't Sir Winston Churchill considered a dunce at school.

Frank, what is it that you don't understand about overall majority? does it mean (a)the biggest Tory Majority,(b) The biggest Labour Majority, (c) the biggest Lib Dem majority,(d)the party with a bigger majority than the other two together.

seems we get arrogant dunderheads - whatever system we use...

All 'career' politicians now - climb the greasy pole - the councillors and MPs who 'care' are the old breed and rapidly diminishing from view

Quick question - what happens if you find out you have a dunderhead/greasy pole merchant - just after the election - you actually can't vote them out for 59 months either.....under the current horse racing type rules

The "ME" was really what I assumed Mr Cameron or the party whoever was in power at the time could say they have been given a Mandate (politics), the power granted by an electorate.
Does this also apply to a coalition government?

They have certainly done and are trying to do things that were not in their manifesto pre - election

For the party with the biggest vote to hold office on its own it requires the confidence of parliament, or to form a coalition with one of the other parties, so when I suggested that if the Lib Dems withdrew their support or "jumped ship" would the Cons still hold control your reply was yes, well that's not strictly true is it Frank? because they would need the confidence of parliament that's why they "used" the also ran party to get their grubby fingers on tickets for the Westminster gravy train.

I also have to disagree with your comment which suggests a minority government has been done many times before, it has in fact been done on very few occasions and the majority of those times during the war years as a coalition.

So maybe it is you Frank that fails to see and cant accept that we have an unelected government only allowed to govern by the goodwill of the other parties, but without the full agreement of the people.

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You need to take your own advice Frank, and read what I have written more thoroughly, I understand you are miffed that your party of choice weren't really elected and are a default government, but hey better luck next, more propaganda and lies, a gullible electorate, you never know.

Take care.

Why don't you join us at the demo tomorrow Frank? come with an open mind, listen to what's being said, you never know you might enjoy yourself.

You tinker Frank, you are still trying to wind me up with your "all the people" comment.

Anyway cant chat long just going to shower and get my feckless unemployed (retired) self off to Liverpool along with all the others, most of whom are giving up their free time off to demonstrate against the policies of this nasty vindictive unelected government.

See you there casper!!