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#803446 - 27th Jun 2013 12:36pm An absolute disgrace
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#803447 - 27th Jun 2013 12:47pm Re: An absolute disgrace [Re: Bizzybee1]
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Makes one want to SPIT doesn't it ?!?!

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#803448 - 27th Jun 2013 12:56pm Re: An absolute disgrace [Re: Bizzybee1]
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Hang on, how is this a disgrace, or am I reading it wrong.

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The grant paid to the monarchy is calculated as 15% of money paid by the Crown Estate to the government.

The estate, which includes property across the UK, increased its profits by 5% to 252.6m in 2012/13.



Okay so the money paid BACK to the Monarchy is 15% of the money paid BY them for property THEY own.

The increase in money paid TO the government is 5% (of the total amount) whilst the increase paid BACK is (less than) 3% (of the 15% returned) to me that means an INCREASE in the amount paid BY the Monarchy TO the Government of over 4.5%, an actual Monarchy increase of less than 0.5%

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#803463 - 27th Jun 2013 2:39pm Re: An absolute disgrace [Re: Bizzybee1]
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Come on Dr, we are trying to get angry here!! Leave us to it.

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#803480 - 27th Jun 2013 4:42pm Re: An absolute disgrace [Re: Bizzybee1]
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Rather have a Monarchy than a Dictator - you are just getting angry over something for nothing and needlessly stirring it, Dr's figures are true and speak for themselves.

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#803529 - 27th Jun 2013 7:32pm Re: An absolute disgrace [Re: Bizzybee1]
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The whole debate rests on whether the Crown Estates actually own or should be allowed to own land stolen from the population hundreds of years ago. If we take back the monarchs land and return it to the people, then we still get the money raised by the Crown Estates, plus save the 13 odd million it costs to keep the monarchy. Plus, most of the Queen/Royals money comes from ordinary people paying rent for land and property that should rightfully belong to the country but doesn't.

I actually believe we should keep the monarchy, but the whole "Queen actually pays US more than we pay HER" debate drives me up the wall.


Edited by Bobario (27th Jun 2013 7:32pm)

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#803560 - 27th Jun 2013 9:11pm Re: An absolute disgrace [Re: Bobario]
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Originally Posted By: Bobario
The whole debate rests on whether the Crown Estates actually own or should be allowed to own land stolen from the population hundreds of years ago.


Wow, you can sure hold a grudge raftl

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#803583 - 28th Jun 2013 1:06am Re: An absolute disgrace [Re: Bobario]
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Originally Posted By: Bobario
The whole debate rests on whether the Crown Estates actually own or should be allowed to own land stolen from the population hundreds of years ago. If we take back the monarchs land and return it to the people, then we still get the money raised by the Crown Estates, plus save the 13 odd million it costs to keep the monarchy. Plus, most of the Queen/Royals money comes from ordinary people paying rent for land and property that should rightfully belong to the country but doesn't.

I actually believe we should keep the monarchy, but the whole "Queen actually pays US more than we pay HER" debate drives me up the wall.


Heaven help us.......We pay approx 70 pence per head of the population, per year toward the monarchy. Enjoy what every other country would give their eye teeth for. If the land (which you consider to have been stolen,) was given back to the people, you can bet your bottom dollar, some foreign, rich buggar would take it off us. For the crown to hold it is actually a safe guard against such actions, for our heritage and enjoyment, e.g. parks, forests etc. If the Govt. got their hands on it all...they'd sell to the highest bidder,( a bit like the 'gold reserves') who wouldn't be British.
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#803625 - 28th Jun 2013 10:38am Re: An absolute disgrace [Re: granny]
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Originally Posted By: granny
Originally Posted By: Bobario
The whole debate rests on whether the Crown Estates actually own or should be allowed to own land stolen from the population hundreds of years ago. If we take back the monarchs land and return it to the people, then we still get the money raised by the Crown Estates, plus save the 13 odd million it costs to keep the monarchy. Plus, most of the Queen/Royals money comes from ordinary people paying rent for land and property that should rightfully belong to the country but doesn't.

I actually believe we should keep the monarchy, but the whole "Queen actually pays US more than we pay HER" debate drives me up the wall.


Heaven help us.......We pay approx 70 pence per head of the population, per year toward the monarchy. Enjoy what every other country would give their eye teeth for. If the land (which you consider to have been stolen,) was given back to the people, you can bet your bottom dollar, some foreign, rich buggar would take it off us. For the crown to hold it is actually a safe guard against such actions, for our heritage and enjoyment, e.g. parks, forests etc. If the Govt. got their hands on it all...they'd sell to the highest bidder,( a bit like the 'gold reserves') who wouldn't be British.


That is one hell of a lot of money.

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#803627 - 28th Jun 2013 11:11am Re: An absolute disgrace [Re: Bizzybee1]
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Originally Posted By: NickLeg
That is one hell of a lot of money.


Dont look at your latest P60 or council tax bill unless you are sitting down then.

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#803628 - 28th Jun 2013 11:19am Re: An absolute disgrace [Re: Bizzybee1]
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The monarchy costs 420 million per year and the Crown estates own app 8.1 billion so let us share that out between the 62.74 million people in UK and enjoy spending the 135 each. Then we lose an estimated 7.6 billion per year out of the 115 billion tourist revenue which the Royal family generate. Sounds like we get good value from the Royal family to me.

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#803633 - 28th Jun 2013 12:05pm Re: An absolute disgrace [Re: Bizzybee1]
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3071 Charities and Patronages of the British Monarchy

http://www.royal.gov.uk/CharitiesandPatronages/Search%20Charities%20and%20Patronages.aspx

1200 staff employed at Buckingham Palace alone....

http://www.royal.gov.uk/TheRoyalHousehold/Overview.aspx

Feast your eyes on all of this Nickleg, and then come back with another winge.
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..and amongst other things, I will never forgive Tony Blair for scrappng the Royal Yacht and reducing our Queen, who stands for all the people of this country, to tears ,in a public place. Brittania was the only place that our Queen truly felt some freedom.


Edited by granny (28th Jun 2013 12:17pm)
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#803652 - 28th Jun 2013 1:49pm Re: An absolute disgrace [Re: granny]
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There has been some mutterings about a new Royal Yacht but it seems to have been put in the deep freeze.

Perhaps those Russian oligarchs who reside in relative safety within these shores should cough up the dosh.

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#803672 - 28th Jun 2013 4:44pm Re: An absolute disgrace [Re: granny]
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Originally Posted By: granny
3071 Charities and Patronages of the British Monarchy

http://www.royal.gov.uk/CharitiesandPatronages/Search%20Charities%20and%20Patronages.aspx

1200 staff employed at Buckingham Palace alone....

http://www.royal.gov.uk/TheRoyalHousehold/Overview.aspx

Feast your eyes on all of this Nickleg, and then come back with another winge.
p.s.
..and amongst other things, I will never forgive Tony Blair for scrappng the Royal Yacht and reducing our Queen, who stands for all the people of this country, to tears ,in a public place. Brittania was the only place that our Queen truly felt some freedom.


My heart bleeds for her.

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