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#802213 - 21st Jun 2013 9:10pm Stand Up to Save the NHS
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SATURDAY 6TH JULY 2013- Join us for a March and Rally. 12 Noon Birkenhead Park Arch (corner of Conway Street).

The NHS is under attack from privatisation from the Tory Lib Dem Government!

The date is the Anniversary of the creation of the NHS.

6 PRINCIPLES TO SAVE THE NHS

Health care free at point of use
Health care provided on clinical need not ability to afford
Funded by fair taxation
Delivered by Public Service
Open transparent and democratic
Public health at the core of national health policy
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#802214 - 21st Jun 2013 9:15pm Re: Stand Up to Save the NHS [Re: RUDEBOX]
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#802228 - 21st Jun 2013 10:07pm Re: Stand Up to Save the NHS [Re: RUDEBOX]
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i'll hopefull be there! dont work for the NHS, but if you follow "marcus Chown" on twitter, he regularly shows the way in which the NHS is being slowly and stealthly privatised - and its not being reoprted anywhere which is shocking!

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#802262 - 22nd Jun 2013 2:13am Re: Stand Up to Save the NHS [Re: RUDEBOX]
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Bazzoh, that is what I find the most shocking. Most of the population do not realise that it is happening- nothing in the so called paers, nothing reported on the u.k News channels. So so depressing frown

Hope to see you there.
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#802299 - 22nd Jun 2013 10:52am Re: Stand Up to Save the NHS [Re: ]
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#802307 - 22nd Jun 2013 11:30am Re: Stand Up to Save the NHS [Re: RUDEBOX]
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There is a lot of money to be be made by privatisation (profits must be made before anything else) and if Marcus Chown is to be believed quite a few mp's and lords are not above lining their pockets from it. click

There was a massive conflict of interest, with 1/4 of the MPs and Lords who voted for the Bill having financial stakes in private health companies that stood to benefit by from the bill's passage http://tinyurl.com/7gcsaqf. “Care UK”, a private health company donated significant money to the office of health secretary Andrew Lansley.

I do believe that the gov are highlighting and publicising every little and large thing that goes wrong in the NHS (whilst cutting the amount of money available to it) in order to privatise it

The thing is do you want to be at the mercy of medical insurance companies (who like vehicle insurance co's can just hike the cost because you have to have it)

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#802309 - 22nd Jun 2013 11:34am Re: Stand Up to Save the NHS [Re: RUDEBOX]
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Privatization isnt new, its been there since Mrs T ,all parties then and since are into it not least because too many people at the top have vested interests in the private services offered to the NHS , and the reason its gone so far , is that ordinary people never believed or noticed it was happening. Mrs T made her amendments sound like advantages, not notches into privatization , and gradually over the years, its crept on so insidiously that its existence has been able to be denied by Govt and the masses believed them, and now the population has realized its a fact----its probably far too late, because to turn round the situation,(as public opinion would be ignored), it would need a complete sweep out of Government , and a new breed of ministers who are honest, uncorruptable , and who truly believe passionately in the original concept of the NHS. Dont think thats likely somehow , but who knows , so we have to try. Ill be there if I can.

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#802320 - 22nd Jun 2013 12:05pm Re: Stand Up to Save the NHS [Re: venice]
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Quote Derek
" I do believe that the gov are highlighting and publicising every little and large thing that goes wrong in the NHS (whilst cutting the amount of money available to it) in order to privatise it "

I believe thats absolutely spot on. Enforcing such massive 'efficiency ' cuts , making out they have the best interests of the NHS at heart, but knowing that in practical terms, the severity will cripple NHS for years. People will be served badly and complain , then the Govt can helpfully say ok,even with all our efficiency measures, this isnt working, we will bring in more private services to help make things better for you. Bingo - .
Governments. All the same, but varying skills in the art of disguise .


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#802471 - 22nd Jun 2013 8:59pm Re: Stand Up to Save the NHS [Re: venice]
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ronald bloody mcdonald house is all i've got to say...bloody charitable cause my backside!!!!!!!!!

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#802472 - 22nd Jun 2013 9:03pm Re: Stand Up to Save the NHS [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: 19FRANK40


How does a day of action help the patients?

How would a day of apathy affect all users of the N.H.S??
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#802540 - 23rd Jun 2013 9:54am Re: Stand Up to Save the NHS [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: 19FRANK40
Originally Posted By: venice

"Enforcing such massive 'efficiency ' cuts , making out they have the best interests of the NHS at heart, but knowing that in practical terms, the severity will cripple NHS for years. People will be served badly and complain , then the Govt can helpfully say ok,even with all our efficiency measures, this isnt working, we will bring in more private services to help make things better for you. Bingo - .
Governments. All the same, but varying skills in the art of disguise .


Shouldn't you be at work at Conservative central office or something?

Anyone who can't afford private health insurance should be screaming from the roof tops to leave the NHS alone. Be warned, these barstewards will see us all die and not turn a hair in the pursuit of profit!

Well dear oh dear. Do you not know that the budget for the NHS has been ringfenced and Labour has stated that if will follow the policy when they get into office. (Whenever that might be - god forbid) As I keep saying "labour is good at spending other peoples money" so there won't be any left for the NHS if they manage to get back for a second chance to ruin this country.

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#802571 - 23rd Jun 2013 11:59am Re: Stand Up to Save the NHS [Re: RUDEBOX]
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Quote Frank40

"This is just scaremongering, who has ever mentioned medical insurance?
Keep it real, some might beieve you and start to panic "

Frank, I can only imagine some parts of your posts ,like the above,just have to be tongue in cheek, yet thats not inkeeping with other parts, so Im not entirely sure what you actually believe!


Quote Helles

"Shouldn't you be at work at Conservative central office or something? "

Helles,can you point out the parts of my post that have lead you to this conclusion please, before I decide I must have been posting on this thread whilst asleep , hypnotized or hammered!

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#802588 - 23rd Jun 2013 1:09pm Re: Stand Up to Save the NHS [Re: RUDEBOX]
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Originally Posted By: RUDEBOX
SATURDAY 6TH JULY 2013- Join us for a March and Rally. 12 Noon Birkenhead Park Arch (corner of Conway Street).

The NHS is under attack from privatisation from the Tory Lib Dem Government!

The date is the Anniversary of the creation of the NHS.

6 PRINCIPLES TO SAVE THE NHS

Health care free at point of use
Health care provided on clinical need not ability to afford
Funded by fair taxation
Delivered by Public Service
Open transparent and democratic
Public health at the core of national health policy


Time you got off your soapbox: it's been teachers, now the NHS, what next: the police, the forces? You can always find something if you look hard enough. The best thing you can do to help the situation is to do your job and pay your taxes. The Labour government will be no better than the present coalition and if recent History is anything to go by, will be worse.

The basic problem with the NHS is that we're all, thanks to constant development of new expensive drugs and techniques, living too long.
This affects not only the NHS but also the provision of the old age pension. The State now pays me over £700 every four weeks, I get the winter fuel allowance of £200 and free prescriptions for the various medicines designed to prolong my life. I'm inclined to think that, after over ten years of retirement, I have probably received more from the State than I paid in taxes during my working life and may continue to receive these benefits for yet more years to come.
At the other end of the scale, medical help and the work of charities, to which we are constantly being asked to contribute, is lessening the infant death rate world wide, but the habit in third world countries of having many children, in the expectation of high infant mortality, prevails. It's clear that what is needed is not "Save the Children" but education in contraception.
Anyway, now I'll get off my soapbox.
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#802590 - 23rd Jun 2013 1:50pm Re: Stand Up to Save the NHS [Re: chriskay]
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Well said, Chriskay!
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#802593 - 23rd Jun 2013 2:17pm Re: Stand Up to Save the NHS [Re: RUDEBOX]
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Indeed - well said Chris! Your last paragraph hits the nail on the swede.... the world is getting overpopulated. We are running up the down escaltor in an endeavour to feed (sometimes overfeed) a world population and all that it desires. Energy shortages and water wars are just over the horizon (imho) to name just a couple of things.

Mother nature is maybe lurking in the wings with another Black Plague or somesuch to wipe out most of the population. The few "lucky" survivors can start the whole bloody thing off again - because we will never learn!

Vacates soapbox. Next contestant please !


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