WikiWirral Online with you since 2003, fantastic.
Forum Stats
12422 Members
65 Forums
73663 Topics
995300 Posts
68 posts in the last 24hrs
Max Online: 7831 @ 8th Apr 2013 4:18pm
Who's Online - Click Me
61 registered (alan128, 13 invisible), 1240 Guests and 237 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Social Media : Follow Us


(Views 7days)This Weeks Most Read
Waning enthusiasm for brexit. 1111
Ive gone all Russian! 712
This bad? 493
Wheels of industry? 418
Crime And Violence 330
ASB Bromborough 317
Smacking Ban 260
Burnt orange cushions? Yours? 253
New Runcorn bridge 240
Whats Your Sexuality..NHS To Ask 185
New General Forums
Wow, this took me aback !
by venice
Yesterday at 07:41 PM
One for lollipop
by snowshoes
18th Oct 2017 5:41pm
Wheels of industry?
by Excoriator
17th Oct 2017 2:15pm
Irish storm. Stay safe lollipop !
by venice
16th Oct 2017 11:10am
New Wirral History
Downloadable oldwirral pdfs
by derekdwc
9th Oct 2017 12:26pm
Pier at Moreton Shore ?
by fish5133
27th Sep 2017 12:22am
Long-forgotten brook.
by Excoriator
17th Sep 2017 7:37pm
Tunnel Flyovers Part 1
by Norton
15th Jul 2017 5:40pm
Birkenhead Docks
by granny
6th Sep 2016 9:50pm
Forum Tips
Photo Gallery Forums
clipper yachts arriving for round the world race
Azamara,silouette and balmoral this mornig
Topic Replies
New Runcorn bridge
by diggingdeeper
Today at 08:08 PM
live webcam from africa, a must see
by cools
Today at 12:02 PM
What song are you listening to?
by granny
Today at 11:13 AM
St David's Church and Friary - Pantasaph
by cools
Yesterday at 07:30 PM
St Clare's Orphanage - Pantasaph
by cools
Yesterday at 07:17 PM
Crime And Violence
by diggingdeeper
Yesterday at 04:32 PM
Smacking Ban
by Excoriator
Yesterday at 10:49 AM
Organ Donation
by casper
Yesterday at 10:32 AM
Wheels of industry?
by philmch
19th Oct 2017 3:42pm
October
M Tu W Th F Sa Su
1
2 3 4 5 6 7 8
9 10 11 12 13 14 15
16 17 18 19 20 21 22
23 24 25 26 27 28 29
30 31
Recent Posts : What's On ?
St David's Church and Friary - Pantasaph
by cools
Yesterday at 07:30 PM
St Clare's Orphanage - Pantasaph
by cools
Yesterday at 07:17 PM
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >
Topic Options
Rate This Topic
#787760 - 20th Apr 2013 6:18pm Lever Causeway
chriskay Offline
Forum Veteran

Registered: 25th Oct 2007
Posts: 4868
Loc: shropshire
At Storeton, there's a kink in the causeway. It seems clear that was built like this to go round an existing building; any idea what it was?

http://binged.it/XNh3oI
_________________________
Carpe diem.

Top
Google Ads
#787787 - 20th Apr 2013 7:56pm Re: Lever Causeway [Re: chriskay]
Pinzgauer
Unregistered


I think the surveyors were avoiding the "Bad Ground" caused by subsidence of the Storeton Treacle Mine workings. A thick seam of "workable" treacle was discovered between the Middle Bunter and Kuyper Sandstone beds. Same strata as the "Footprint Bed" found in Storeton Quarry.

I could be wrong..........

Top
#787790 - 20th Apr 2013 8:40pm Re: Lever Causeway [Re: ]
chriskay Offline
Forum Veteran

Registered: 25th Oct 2007
Posts: 4868
Loc: shropshire
Originally Posted By: Pinzgauer
I think the surveyors were avoiding the "Bad Ground" caused by subsidence of the Storeton Treacle Mine workings. A thick seam of "workable" treacle was discovered between the Middle Bunter and Kuyper Sandstone beds. Same strata as the "Footprint Bed" found in Storeton Quarry.

I could be wrong..........


Ah, thank you for that erudite explanation: I had forgotten about the treacle seam (although opinion is divided as to whether it was workable at that location).

Of course, you could be wrong...

Incidentally, the 1912 O.S. map gives no clue; it just shows open ground at that location. The Lever Causeway was constructed in the 1920's.
_________________________
Carpe diem.

Top
#787827 - 21st Apr 2013 12:20am Re: Lever Causeway [Re: chriskay]
davew3 Offline
Forum Guide

Registered: 16th Jun 2009
Posts: 1024
Loc: Wirral
I would have thought the treacle bed would have dried out after millions of years and we would have had brittle treacle toffee.

Always wondered about that little bend.

Top
#787843 - 21st Apr 2013 7:16am Re: Lever Causeway [Re: chriskay]
Tatey Offline
Forum Addict

Registered: 14th Apr 2009
Posts: 1413
Loc: New Brighton
Should ask Doddy as he is well up on Jam Butty mines & might know. :-)

Top
#787905 - 21st Apr 2013 11:09am Re: Lever Causeway [Re: chriskay]
nuddy Offline
Member

Registered: 29th Dec 2009
Posts: 92
Loc: birkenhead
I think it might of been put in place to slow traffic approaching the roundabout down, possibly when the motorway was built or when the rest of the Causeway was closed off.

Top
#788050 - 21st Apr 2013 7:08pm Re: Lever Causeway [Re: nuddy]
chriskay Offline
Forum Veteran

Registered: 25th Oct 2007
Posts: 4868
Loc: shropshire
Perhaps someone local and with time to spare could visit the Lever archives at Port Sunlight and ask there.
_________________________
Carpe diem.

Top
#788154 - 21st Apr 2013 10:08pm Re: Lever Causeway [Re: nuddy]
chriskay Offline
Forum Veteran

Registered: 25th Oct 2007
Posts: 4868
Loc: shropshire
Originally Posted By: nuddy
I think it might of been put in place to slow traffic approaching the roundabout down, possibly when the motorway was built or when the rest of the Causeway was closed off.


This kink was there in the 1940's, long before the roundabout was there. The other section was already closed at that time. I seem to remember that the closed off section was used for storing military vehicles during the war.
_________________________
Carpe diem.

Top
#788189 - 22nd Apr 2013 7:30am Re: Lever Causeway [Re: chriskay]
billy_anorak59 Online   shifty

Addict

Registered: 4th Feb 2009
Posts: 210
Loc: Cambridgeshire
Chris - Nothing there in 1936.


Attachments: Viewing Permissions May Apply. Click Me
levercauseway.jpg


_________________________
Sitting on a cornflake, waiting for the van to come.

Top
#788201 - 22nd Apr 2013 8:35am Re: Lever Causeway [Re: chriskay]
derekdwc Online   content


Forum Veteran

Registered: 13th Oct 2008
Posts: 5022
Loc: Birkenhead
A guess may be Levers causeway built for him as a direct route to his works and that part may have been a large fishing pond or small lake which he wished to keep available for fishing or watering livestock or too much trouble too fill in.

Top
#788208 - 22nd Apr 2013 9:01am Re: Lever Causeway [Re: chriskay]
derekdwc Online   content


Forum Veteran

Registered: 13th Oct 2008
Posts: 5022
Loc: Birkenhead
Not sure if this 1912-14 map helps in any way


Attachments: Viewing Permissions May Apply. Click Me
1912-1914 map.jpg



Top
#788244 - 22nd Apr 2013 12:33pm Re: Lever Causeway [Re: derekdwc]
chriskay Offline
Forum Veteran

Registered: 25th Oct 2007
Posts: 4868
Loc: shropshire
@ billy anorak59; thanks for the 1936 map. Interesting that he planted the line of trees on the far side of the ground in question. This suggests that the road was built as close as possible to the edge of the reason for the diversion and that there was not room for trees at the edge of the road. It really suggests that there was a pond there, or at least, boggy ground.

@derekdwc; yes, that seems reasonable. Your post does raise another interesting point. Like you, I always understood that he built the causeway as a direct route between Thornton Manor and the works, but most of the causeway is off that line; maybe he also wanted his own route to Birkenhead and Liverpool.
I've attached a map showing the most direct route: Red 'x's show that route. From the Manor, via his private road to the Brimstage road, near where the roundabout of the M 53 now is, then to Spital Crossroads, turn left along Church Rd., then The Wiend and Ellen's Lane to Greendale Rd. and to the factory. It's worth noting that he couldn't have used the shorter route: (blue 'x's) along Quarry Rd. and Quarry Rd. East, since that was the Storeton tramway (or maybe he had a private train) wink

I've been in touch with Unilever Archives to see if they have any info. They told me that the Archives aren't open to the public, so it's no use going. I'll post if they come up with any answers.


Attachments: Viewing Permissions May Apply. Click Me
Lever Causeway.jpg


_________________________
Carpe diem.

Top
#788245 - 22nd Apr 2013 12:33pm Re: Lever Causeway [Re: chriskay]
AR_One Offline
Smartchild

Registered: 14th Nov 2007
Posts: 436
Loc: Wirral
Don't know why it's there but it was the scene of my dad managing to write off his almost brand new MGF when he was "testing it". Went backwards into the wall of the farm at about 50........

Top
#788246 - 22nd Apr 2013 12:35pm Re: Lever Causeway [Re: AR_One]
chriskay Offline
Forum Veteran

Registered: 25th Oct 2007
Posts: 4868
Loc: shropshire
Originally Posted By: AR_One
Don't know why it's there but it was the scene of my dad managing to write off his almost brand new MGF when he was "testing it". Went backwards into the wall of the farm at about 50........


Oh dear. frown
_________________________
Carpe diem.

Top
#788532 - 23rd Apr 2013 10:55am Re: Lever Causeway [Re: chriskay]
bri445 Offline

Veteran

Registered: 27th Apr 2009
Posts: 680
Loc: Isle of Wight
Chris, he could possibly have used your 'blue' route under the Bromborough Road and railway bridges if the track was removed or covered by the road surface after its closure in 1912. Bromborough Road was dropped to the track level in 1936 and I can remember driving under the narrow steel railway bridge up to the 1960s. I think the hours of use were restricted to allow the workers through at busy times.


Attachments: Viewing Permissions May Apply. Click Me
Scan-090518-0018.jpg



Top
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >

Moderator:  Mark 
Random Wirral Images

Click to View Topic.
Newest Topics
New Runcorn bridge
by venice
Yesterday at 12:57 PM
St David's Church and Friary - Pantasaph
by diggingdeeper
Yesterday at 01:06 AM
St Clare's Orphanage - Pantasaph
by diggingdeeper
Yesterday at 12:30 AM
Smacking Ban
by diggingdeeper
19th Oct 2017 6:54pm
Crime And Violence
by diggingdeeper
19th Oct 2017 10:22am
For Sale & Free
wanted liverpool v man united tickets
by moretonjeffo
13th Oct 2017 3:29pm
2005 CitroŽn Dispatch 8 seater
by anniebo28
9th Oct 2017 7:55pm
Vauxhall Astra 1.4, 57 plate, 110k miles
by lauren_lfc89
8th Oct 2017 9:59pm
Little mix Liverpool
by sean99789
8th Oct 2017 6:22pm
Wanted kitchen cupboard
by vw_kyle
7th Oct 2017 8:32pm
Featured Member
Registered: 13th Oct 2008
Posts: 5022
Newest Members
Birkonian1, Craig19202, StephenCranny, Thunderball, johnjones420
12422 Registered Users
Today's Birthdays
No Birthdays
New Wirral Info
New Runcorn bridge
by venice
Yesterday at 12:57 PM
St David's Church and Friary - Pantasaph
by diggingdeeper
Yesterday at 01:06 AM
St Clare's Orphanage - Pantasaph
by diggingdeeper
Yesterday at 12:30 AM
This bad?
by venice
18th Oct 2017 5:10pm
Burnt orange cushions? Yours?
by venice
16th Oct 2017 1:23am
News : New Topics
Smacking Ban
by diggingdeeper
19th Oct 2017 6:54pm
Crime And Violence
by diggingdeeper
19th Oct 2017 10:22am
Maltese Journalist Killed
by granny
18th Oct 2017 11:51pm
ASB Bromborough
by catweazle
15th Oct 2017 4:02pm
missing woman from Liscard
by assassin
14th Oct 2017 10:18pm
New Enthusiast Forums
Ive gone all Russian!
by venice
15th Oct 2017 4:09pm
Whats Your Sexuality..NHS To Ask
by fish5133
15th Oct 2017 10:12am
Auto electrician for dash cams installation
by vampy1977
14th Oct 2017 7:27pm
Organ Donation
by granny
8th Oct 2017 9:53pm
Mx tv box
by GingerTom
8th Oct 2017 7:18pm
(Views 24hrs)Trending Newest Topics
Wirral Sunrise Sunset
Sunrise Sat 7:51am
Sunset Sat 6:01pm
Local Time Sat 10:24pm
WikiWirral Can . . . .