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Its awful that the guy is getting blamed for a tragic accident.

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It is NOT ILLEGAL for a 16 year old to drink, it is Illegal in a public place under the age of 18.

I also believe that Mcat, mephadrone, meow meow or whatever you wish to call the drug in Georgia's system is a so called legal high, so nowworse than finding nicotine in someones system by law.

I have a 16 year old who is doing well at school, she is rewarded with trust and grown up responsabilities. Occasionally a few friends will meet up in someones house and the teenagers are allowed a few drinks with adults in attendence, all of those needing a lift home are sorted out so drunk teenagers are not left roaming the streets.

I am trying to say that what was found in Georgia's system is not illegal in anyway, what is wrong seems to have been the lack of adult supervision, the train guard also has a duty of care and I suppose that is why the case is in court and remember we are only hearing what is allowed, we wont ever see the CCTV (thankfully) to make a balanced view on whether he acted in a way that endangered passengers.

From all this I feel it was a terrible ACCIDENT (they seem to be not allowed any more) that could have been avoided many times before Georgia boarded the train. I dont think any one person is responsible for her death and just hope she is resting in peace and that the family find a way of moving forward.

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Originally Posted by dizdazdoz
It is NOT ILLEGAL for a 16 year old to drink.


I agree with that 100%,
BUT ....
Is it illegal for under 18s to buy drink?
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Is Mcat legal for an underaged person?

So the supplier/buyer/mule must be in someway responcible.

I have 2 kids and believe when it comes to child safety. Prevention is better than cure...


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Its such a waste of a life, frown frown frown frown

My daughter is near 9, and starting to get a teenage attitude!!!!, its so worring what the future has install for kids these days.

You can only protect them so much.


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Originally Posted by golfvr
Originally Posted by dizdazdoz
It is NOT ILLEGAL for a 16 year old to drink.


I agree with that 100%,
BUT ....
Is it illegal for under 18s to buy drink?
and
Is Mcat legal for an underaged person?

So the supplier/buyer/mule must be in someway responcible.

I have 2 kids and believe when it comes to child safety. Prevention is better than cure...

The law says that children between the ages of 5-17 can consume alcohol at home or at a friends under adult supervision. 16-17 year olds may consume wine, beer but not shorts in a restraunt with a meal.

Mcat under 18's I dont know?

You say preventation is better than cure and of course it makes sense, but if you wrap them in cotton wool when the reach 18 and can do what they want they may have no idea on how to handle alcohol and be savvy enough to stay safe.

Being a parent is a huge reponsability, not just to the child but to the neighbourhood and society in whole. Thats why ifmy 16 works hard at studies we reward her with trust, she knows if she is ever drunk (we accept merry) then things will change. She is at the min expected to gain

1 A*
4 A's
3 B's

in her GCSE's at the end of this school year so we are happy, every child is different and some are far more street savvy than other's.

Back on topic I dont see why this man is in court, he was the last in a long chain who could have prevented this, at worse he is guilty of being niave.

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Originally Posted by dizdazdoz

I feel it was a terrible ACCIDENT (they seem to be not allowed any more)


You're so right. These days there always needs to be someone to blame. There are still plenty of true accidents. From what I read of this sad story, the girl herself and her friends seem to be the ones at fault. It may not be illegal for someone of her age to drink, but I think it's still an offence for anyone of any age to be drunk in a public place.


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Meow meow known in the states as bath salts, makes people go crazy look it up.

Last case was some guy chomping on another mans face claiming he was lucifer. that chap was shot to death execution style by the LA police.

Kids shouldn't be allowed drugs full stop and that meow crap should be banned. Shame on any parent for letting their kids take drugs.

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Originally Posted by _Ste_
Last case was some guy chomping on another mans face claiming he was lucifer. that chap was shot to death execution style by the LA police.


Not saying mephedrone is better or worse than any other drug but not to blame in the case you're citing (see here). I think that that guy had just been on the crazy bus for too long.

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meow meow is no longer a legal high, that was clamped down on last year and is now classed as a Class B drug.

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Originally Posted by _Ste_
Meow meow known in the states as bath salts,


bath salts has just become a generic name as loads of them are labelled up as bath salts.

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Originally Posted by peodude
meow meow is no longer a legal high, that was clamped down on last year and is now classed as a Class B drug.


Was this before or after this incident?

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The Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 (Amendment) Order 2010 was passed by parliament, making mephedrone and other substituted cathinones, Class B drugs from 16 April 2010. So it was well before this incident that it was made a Class B.

So she had taken an illegal drug, she was drunk and she was only 16,somebody or some others, other than the train guard should be in court too.

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It's hard to work out who is to blame and who is in the right. Like said above we thankfully will never see the CCTV of her death, but they have posted a photo of the few minutes before and that is enough.........http://www.itv.com/news/granada/2012-11-06/image-of-moment-before-teen-fell-under-train-released/

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That image is really quite disturbing to look at knowing what happened after it was taken.

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Call me old fashiond but why are peple trying to justify which drug was worse legal on non legal the person or persons who know the affect these drugs have on a persons state of mind after or during consumption of alcahol is wrong i dnt thik it is right to blame the train gaurd whom i do know and is a very distressed state to say the least y heart goes out to gorgias family and friends it is a tragic tragic incident but i do not agree with using anyone as a scape goat over tradgedy (rip gorgia x)

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