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Bloody good topic!

Quite. But I'm sure if I was on 6 points, for example, that I would start driving to the posted limits whether I agree with them or not.

I suppose thinking about it why should I think I know better?

I guess the answer is that I'm an arse.

While learning there is occasionally a need for the instructor to tell the person to stop and pull over, this is sometimes due to the instructor sensing fatigue in the pupil who can be concentrating very hard and can rapidly get exhausted. Also there is a risk of a learner over reacting to situations (braking heavily or pulling over sideways) which is much more dangerous on a motorway.

Just as likely when you've passed, as a new driver, I'd have thought.

You're likely to have more confidence with an instructor sat next to you and you have an experienced driver who can help you if he spots it.

It all seems a bit irresponsible to me but as always there's no right or wrong answers here, just different pros and cons.

Hi Guys,

As a driver I stick to the limits imposed even though I don't agree with them.

When all is said and done, the limits are there for a reason - not everybody is as confident or as able behind the wheel as some others here.

One tends to think that the motorway limit of 70 is not there for the able drivers, but so that they have sufficient reaction distance when the 80yo doing 55 pulls out into the lane in front of them.

And whether you agree with them or not, I cannot disagree with people being punished for breaking them.

Compare someone like Alex, who has stated that they do drive in excess on occasion, to a benefit cheat whose excuse is 'well I know the government sets the amount for income support, but I find it better to work a bit as well and still claim to make my life easier'.

Both are bad laws (the speed limit and the amount the government thinks you can live on), but I bet people would treat the benefit cheat more harshly than the speeder!

You can't pick and choose the laws you obey and those you ignore. If you feel that strongly, write to your MP and join the campaign groups.

You can.

But you need to be willing to pay the price if caught out.

It's a bit like my time spent in Africa. You can speed, smoke weed, and within reason do what you like, but you have to be willing to pay the fine/bribe when caught.

That's how I see it, right or not.

The attitude and acceptance of different laws has changed hugely over the years, I think that the "older" members will know what I mean and the "younger" members will wonder what I am talking about as it couldn't be true.

Drink Driving - It wasn't that long ago that even though we had a limit (as we do now) everyone knew the guys who weaved all the way home, who had to drive because they were too p!ssed to walk, and we laughed about it.

Domestic Violence - Where slapping the wife "showed that you cared".

Smacking children - When they were naughty, you smacked them (I don't mean beat up), even so far as being given "the belt" (wait 'til your father gets home...)

Benefit Cheats - Claiming too much, living with your girlfriend and letting your mate kip in the council paid flat, doing the cash in hand jobs on the side, we saw having a mate on the dole as a good thing as he could always paint your kitchen cheap, and we all used to joke as they turned up to sign on in a donkey jacket.

We "accepted" these things happen, but, like casual racism, we now look at things in a different way and our mindset accepts that these things are wrong.

I speed, my car only knows 30 as a number it passes on it's way to higher and better things, but where I think needs be I'll do MUCH less than the limit, it's all about what you, as a driver, feel is right, as when I get it wrong, and I have, it's my responsibility, the rest doesn't matter.

I'm sure over the next few years there will be a big push to make speeders the next social outcasts, maybe it'll work, or maybe it'll be a sticking point as everyone seems to think that the minute you pass your test you know it all, and it's only years later when you look back, and with the benefit of the skills you then have, realise just what a d!ck you were.

Oh yes, I have zero points on my licence, skill, judgement, or luck ?

It is funny the change in attitude, at one time if you were pulled over and probably over the limit it was ignored and you were told to drive home carefully, the same copper would insist you to had to park up and walk to get a replacement bulb if one had blown.

Tailgaters.
Neds in chavved-up cars, usually base model 1.0 Saxos with shitty tinted windows and a tin can stuck on the exhaust.
Sunday drivers.
Old men in flat caps.
Middle lane hogs.
Blatant red light jumpers.
Selfish gits who block the road to go to the cash machine/get fags/whatever. Putting your hazards on doesn't make it OK.

Alex, did you get done by a copper or a camera?

All of the above but especially middle lane drivers, grrrrrrrr

Camera

Why do you all go on about middle lane drivers? , please, someone tell me what they are?
If it's what I think it is then you all drive far too slowly.

It's people driving slowly down the middle lane of a motorway Ste... when they are not overtaking anyone...

Revenue generating me thinks

The left lane is for normal driving.

Middle and outside lanes on the motorway are overtaking lanes.

I drive properly and keep left when not overtaking. Middle lane drivers cause problems with traffic flow.

I'd have thought you'd have understood this.