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#556608 - 5th Aug 2011 10:51am School where 4/400 speak english as 1st language!
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A School with more than 400 pupils has only four for whom English is their mother tongue.

In one of Britainís most extreme cases, it has emerged that less than 1 per cent of pupils at Bradford Moor Community Primary School speak English as their first language.

The school is in one of the cityís most deprived areas, and 90 per cent of the 417 pupils are from Pakistan. Many arrive at the school unable to speak a word of English.


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WTF?!?! How can this happen? How can a primary school accept childeren that cant even speak english??
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#556615 - 5th Aug 2011 10:56am Re: School where 4/400 speak english as 1st language! [Re: StuyMac]
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#556617 - 5th Aug 2011 10:59am Re: School where 4/400 speak english as 1st language! [Re: Snickas]
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Maybe they have multi lingual teachers or multi lingual texts which seem very popular and topical.
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#556622 - 5th Aug 2011 11:07am Re: School where 4/400 speak english as 1st language! [Re: StuyMac]
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Before I opened this I knew exactly where the school would be.

My auntie was head of a school in Bradford where 1 in 15 kids were British, and she said it was a nightmare. But what can you do? If we continue to let their parents into the country officially then we have to put up with the kids that they have whilst here.

Definitely strengthens the argument that was brought up a few days ago on whether we should allow people into the country who can't speak English. If they can't speak English then they are raising kids who can't speak English. What they need to be doing it speaking English at home from an early age.

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#556623 - 5th Aug 2011 11:07am Re: School where 4/400 speak english as 1st language! [Re: StuyMac]
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It's the way our society is turning now.

That is a very bad statistic for that school. You can't blame the school really - you have to blame the government and the way they run the country. It's like a gentleman who refuses to learn english in Leicester because so many people know his language he doesnt need to speak English.

It's just as bad as the stats for children leaving primary school not being able to Read,Write and do basic maths.

'In all, just over one in four of the 600,000 age cohort (26 per cent) fell short of what was expected of them.' - Independant

Our whole country is just falling to pieces.
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#556636 - 5th Aug 2011 11:20am Re: School where 4/400 speak english as 1st language! [Re: StuyMac]
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TBH they should be able to speak the language - when in Rome and all that.

Why should they be taught in an english school, when they havnt been taught the language used in that school. If the parents expect schooling for their childeren, then the schools should expect the parents to teach their childeren the language in which they would be taught.

If you moved to one of the countrys most of these people come from, would you a) expect a good quality school b) even expect a school and c) even if there was a school, do you think they would get somone in especially to teach you in english?

Answer is NO, so why the fook should we do it? somad
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#556669 - 5th Aug 2011 11:48am Re: School where 4/400 speak english as 1st language! [Re: StuyMac]
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I agree with you StuyMac, I never said they were right for not speaking English.

TBH most of the countries in the world now speak english aswell as their mother tongue language.

I know when I was in Saudi, it was the law that if you owned or worked in a shop, you had to know English - because of the rate of western people in the country.

I haven't visited many other countries - but I would go as far as to say that many people speak English in some way whether it's a native lagnuage or second language.

Another thing is to be honest, I think most countries now have schools where they speak English - due to the fact that the world mostly speaks English. It's a sad time when people in the UK can't speak English when most people in the world can.
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#556671 - 5th Aug 2011 11:52am Re: School where 4/400 speak english as 1st language! [Re: StuyMac]
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#556702 - 5th Aug 2011 12:34pm Re: School where 4/400 speak english as 1st language! [Re: Spritey_Nikki]
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Originally Posted By: Spritey_Nikki
I agree with you StuyMac, I never said they were right for not speaking English.

TBH most of the countries in the world now speak english aswell as their mother tongue language.

I know when I was in Saudi, it was the law that if you owned or worked in a shop, you had to know English - because of the rate of western people in the country.

I haven't visited many other countries - but I would go as far as to say that many people speak English in some way whether it's a native lagnuage or second language.

Another thing is to be honest, I think most countries now have schools where they speak English - due to the fact that the world mostly speaks English. It's a sad time when people in the UK can't speak English when most people in the world can.


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#556708 - 5th Aug 2011 12:41pm Re: School where 4/400 speak english as 1st language! [Re: StuyMac]
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Originally Posted By: StuyMac
How can a primary school accept childeren that cant even speak english??
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#556715 - 5th Aug 2011 12:47pm Re: School where 4/400 speak english as 1st language! [Re: ex0__]
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How can a primary school accept childeren that cant even speak english??


Some of your posts are interesting, but picking out typos!?

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#556717 - 5th Aug 2011 12:50pm Re: School where 4/400 speak english as 1st language! [Re: StuyMac]
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Obviously has some growing up to do! the uneducated and uncultured people need something to pick on..looks like it's now typos smile
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#556721 - 5th Aug 2011 12:59pm Re: School where 4/400 speak english as 1st language! [Re: StuyMac]
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I don't think you can generalise the whole state of the nation by one school in Bradford. Also, this story comes from the Daily Mail.

A personal experience (while doing teaching experience work in 2009):

There was a girl (Indian) in my son's year of primary school (local in Birkenhead) who joined in Yr 3 (age 7-8) who did not speak English. She was immediately started on learning the language, reading it, writing it and speaking it. Her parents were encouraged to speak English to her at home as well to help her learn faster. I used to sit and help her with reading. She was very good and learned quickly.

Second experience in my current role:

A girl comes from a South American country with her family to live here. She speaks only Spanish. She joined in Yr 10 (age 14-15). She is accommodated well to help her with the language barrier - a member of staff from Modern Foreign Languages helps her adjust to everyday activities at school with explanations in Spanish. She is actively encouraged to learn to speak English as well as this. She is even being prepared to take GCSE exams in English, as there is no provision to take them in a different language. She is expected to have a good grasp of the English language in order to take these exams - which have started this year and will continue in her final year next June.

In both these experiences, the pupils were actively encouraged to learn to read, write and speak English. Now I doubt that Wirral is especially tuned into this. I expect that many local authorities across the country employ this policy.

Bradford is Bradford. We dive straight in without looking at the political landscape there and the policies they have in place.

Not trying to dilute the arguments but just saying, don't generalise.
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#556722 - 5th Aug 2011 1:01pm Re: School where 4/400 speak english as 1st language! [Re: StuyMac]
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Irony is lost on you 2 frown

He's posting about education and the English language ..
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#556757 - 5th Aug 2011 2:19pm Re: School where 4/400 speak english as 1st language! [Re: ex0__]
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Irony is lost on you 2 frown

He's posting about education and the English language ..
raftl I geddit...oops, I mean, I get it smile
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