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Anyone who can claim what you did about US involvement in WW2, renders anything else you may have to say, completely worthless.

You are either a complete and utter fool or a troll - I don't know which, but either way, you (and Nelzy) may be interested to know that you are the only two people to ever make it to my 'ignore' list. Or not, I really don't care.

Have fun in your imaginary world of make-believe - I don't have to read it any more.

Yeah, I guess putting people on ignore is more convenient then actually having a grown up conversation and refuting their points.

High five Nelzy.

CV your grasping at straws here, what ex is saying is your no different from those idiots at ground zero who are shouting the odds off.

The phrase "Baaaa" jumps to mind, to be fair this was a sensible open debate, till you jumped in with your patriotic blinkered views, truth of the matter is rest of the world have yanks decked, your entiltled to your oppinion just as everyone else, coming down to a childish ignore level shows your mentality i doubt Ex is bothered they are on ignore list and neither am I, don't pick fights you can't finish, we might see eye to eye in another 10 years when you wake up.

It's not even worth mentioning the rothschild aspect as i doub't you'd grasp the reasoning behined that either, lost cause follow the pack like the rest of them.

We wouldn't have stood a chance in WW2 without the American involvement - and the only reason they got involved in the European fighting is because we paid them to. British history books tend to ignore what the Americans achieved by using the term allied troops.

I think a new topic would be a more suitable place to discuss WW2, allowing this one to be derailed because of that dumbass would be a shame.

Perhaps I should have put 'was the only reason that the'.

And vice versa DD, i'm sure you'll agree, I'm struggling to pick out one specific skirmish that the Americans actually made a difference, stange how my grandparents don't share that view my Gramps was a gunner and told me many a tale when i was younger, he was speaking from first hand experience and with absolute emotcion when recalling dog fights etc, he didn't rate them one bit and was educated at Eaton he certainloy wasn't ignorant far from it , i was led to believe their involvment was due to a forced hand

Done the same in ww1 too showed up at last minute,then shouted we won the war,typical yanks!

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have a healthy opinion.

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I think that's very harsh on the many Americans that lost their lives in WW2. America was neutral, it wasn't their territory, it wasn't their fight. Luckily they did change this stance, they did enormous damage to the German fleet and it is highly unlikely that we could have repatriated France without the Americans.

I am not sure but d-day may have involved more Americans than Brits I believe, again our books suddenly use the term allied troups.

Just to back that up, the USA lost more troops in WW2 than we did, although (obviously) we suffered far more civilian casualties.

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The actual war in Europe began with a series of events:

* Germany took Austria (1938) and the Sudtenland (1938)
* The Munich Pact was created (1938) with England and France agreeing to allow Hitler to keep the Sudtenland as long as no further expansion occurred.
* Hitler and Mussolini created the Rome-Berlin Axis military alliance to last 10 years (1939)
* Japan entered an alliance with Germany and Italy (1939)
* The Moscow-Berlin Pact occurred promising nonaggression between the two powers (1939)
* Hitler invaded Poland (1939)
* England and France declared war on Germany (September 30, 1939).

The Changing American Attitude

At this time despite Franklin Roosevelt's desire to help the "allies" (France and Great Britain), the only concession America made was to allow the sale of arms on a "cash and carry" basis.

Hitler continued to expand taking Denmark, Norway, the Netherlands, and Belgium. In June, 1940, France fell to Germany. Obviously, this quick expansion got America nervous and the US began to build the military up.

The final break in isolationism began with the Lend Lease Act (1941) whereby America was allowed to "sell, transfer title to, exchange, lease, lend, or otherwise dispose of, to any such government....any defense article." Great Britain promised not to export any of the lend lease materials. After this, America built a base on Greenland and then issued the Atlantic Charter (August 14, 1941) - a joint declaration between Great Britain and the US about the purposes of war against fascism. The Battle of the Atlantic began with German U-Boats wreaking havoc. This battle would last throughout the war.

The real event that changed America into a nation actively at war was the attack on Pearl Harbor. This was precipitated in July 1939 when Franklin Roosevelt announced that the US would no longer trade items such as gasoline and iron to Japan who needed it for their war with China. In July 1941, the Rome-Berlin-Tokyo Axis was created. The Japanese began occupying French Indo-China and the Philippines. All Japanese assets were frozen in the US. On December 7, 1941, the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor killing over 2,000 people and damaging or destroying eight battleships greatly harming the Pacific fleet. America officially entered the war and now had to fight on two fronts: Europe and the Pacific.

Ten years, millions of bullets, five hundred thousand rockets,
ten thousand cruise missiles, a billion tons of bombs,
thousands dead, invasions, tanks, helicopters,
spy satellites, fleets of warships, stealth bombers, fighter jets,
the SAS, SBS, CIA, FBI, MI5, MI6, Navy Seals,
Trillions of dollars,

and they finally found him.........................in his house.

Didn't anyone think to follow his milk man ?

I'm not sure where this anti American feelings all started, probably in the music halls or maybe Hollywood had something to do with it, I'm not sure.
In reality many thousands of American lives have been lost along with British and many other nationalities and some respect should be shown.
I can't understand why some contributors to this thread have an opinion that when we got involved in World Wars that America should have been involved from day one, both started in Europe, so why should the USA get involved. Thankfully they eventually did.
What should be remembered is not only the troops they put into the theatres of war but the industrial might that came with them, its true they were the only country to come out of WW2 showing a profit, but the the nature of arms sales etc, we sold arms across the world before the world wars and still do so today, thats commerce. We do it for profit.
To understand the involvement of the USA in the first world war and as some would say their late arrival, research should be done on how the country was at that time, they did not have the might of today nor that of WW2, in fact they had a small Army and not much of a navy, in terms of strength. Still fresh in their minds was their own civil war and the Mexican wars, no wonder there was a reluctance to get involved in a war thousands of miles away.
To understand the starting of WW2 there is a need to go back to the end of WW1 and what happened in the years between, again why would the USA feel the need to get involved in a European war in 1939.
As far as the killing of Bin Laden goes, I'm glad some on here are now convinced he's dead, whatever his beliefs were, we all have our own beliefs but we don't go around blowing people up to get our point across, i see no wrong in eliminating him the way they did, he didn't believe in trials and justice, good riddance to him. Lets move on and get the next.

Some pics from guardian.co.uk from inside the compound after the raid.

Looks like this guy was about to connect to wiki...