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detsi #647330 6th Jan 2012 11:12am
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Life after death is a combination of myth and wishful thinking. In the many thousands of years that mankind has wanted it to be true there has never once been a shred of evidence of its existence. Some of its most ardent believers have promised their loved ones proof when they die but have failed to do so. Like so many other things, associated with religion, it is a man-made belief that many cling on to.

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Originally Posted by bizzybee
Life after death is a combination of myth and wishful thinking. In the many thousands of years that mankind has wanted it to be true there has never once been a shred of evidence of its existence. Some of its most ardent believers have promised their loved ones proof when they die but have failed to do so. Like so many other things, associated with religion, it is a man-made belief that many cling on to.


How old are you? I don't think records like that were kept many thousands of years ago.Have you spoken to anyone who has had experiences? You should never dismiss the unexplainable and surely cannot make such rash statements, as it is only YOUR belief and others have their proof.


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I don't know whether I believe in reincarnation but I do believe we go somewhere. I have had experiences and also met a medium (who didn't tell me they were one but I just knew and when he asked me if I knew what he was I told him and he confirmed it) who mentioned things in conversation which nobody could possibly have known, and this was the other end of the country so he knew neither me nor my dad, and he was so helpful and reassuring. I was told there would be a sign that a person was ok and I asked for a white feather, I got one a few days later that just materialised out of thin air in the kitchen (a tiny perfect one). I cannot explain it and neither can anybody else.

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Originally Posted by granny
Originally Posted by bizzybee
Life after death is a combination of myth and wishful thinking. In the many thousands of years that mankind has wanted it to be true there has never once been a shred of evidence of its existence. Some of its most ardent believers have promised their loved ones proof when they die but have failed to do so. Like so many other things, associated with religion, it is a man-made belief that many cling on to.


How old are you? I don't think records like that were kept many thousands of years ago.Have you spoken to anyone who has had experiences? You should never dismiss the unexplainable and surely cannot make such rash statements, as it is only YOUR belief and others have their proof.


My age is not relevant. To what records do you refer? Yes, I have spoken to people who claim to have had 'experiences'. If it cannot be explained It should be, until then I will dismiss it. I have not made any rash statements, I have stated facts. This is not only my belief but that of any rationally thinking person. I would be very interested in seeing any proof.

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When you make statements such as:-

'In the many thousands of years that mankind has wanted it to be true there has never once been a shred of evidence of its existence.'

Is that fact and how would you know?

Likewise, I could say there has never been any shred of evidence to say that the end is the end for all of us and there never will be.

What's more, you are not likely to ever have any proof when you yourself, don't have the experiences.
Maybe you could be a little more opened minded toward others, as many doctors, nurses, scientists, astronaughts to name a few high ranking professionals have had spiritual experiences and they are usually of sound mind. I personally, can listen and wonder, it is not for myself to say they are talking nonesense! The trouble is when some people do try to explain, they are often classed as psychiatric cases by those who don't believe. How sad is that? So others shut up and say nothing.


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Granny, I am new to this forum and it is not my intention to fall out with anyone. I have no doubt that you believe what you saw and if it provides you with some comfort then that is good. But unless you can offer some substantial evidence that there is life after death I reserve the right to my opinion and remain totally unconvinced.

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I'm with Bizzybee on this, sadly there are numerous people who make money out of people's hopes.

I don't think that after the thousands of years of humans on the planet and still not any grasp of real evidence otherwise that this warrants anyone to be open-minded about this any longer.

The human mind is easily mislead and also it has imagination, sometimes it is extremely difficult to separate reality from fantasy.

If people want to believe in Santa Claus or whatever to make themselves happy, that is their right and is the basis of most religions (other than money!).


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Originally Posted by bizzybee
Granny, I am new to this forum and it is not my intention to fall out with anyone. I have no doubt that you believe what you saw and if it provides you with some comfort then that is good. But unless you can offer some substantial evidence that there is life after death I reserve the right to my opinion and remain totally unconvinced.


Bizzybee I'm not falling out with you sweetie. What I am trying to say is that those who have experiences should not be judged. Mine was not a visual i.e in a form, they come in all shapes and sizes. That aside, we will not have any evidence or proof unless it applies to us as individuals and therefore it cannot be proven. You too are entitled to your thoughts and opinions and I am sorry if I have upset you. That wasn't the intention.
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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
If people want to believe in Santa Claus or whatever to make themselves happy, that is their right and is the basis of most religions (other than money!).


You telling me Santa doesn't exist???? Nooooooooo.....smack


As I've said elsewhere on a similar thread, everything in our universe is comprised of energy, and energy cannot be created or destroyed. Our memories and personalities may not necessarily survive physical death but the life force does.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy

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Originally Posted by geekus
Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
If people want to believe in Santa Claus or whatever to make themselves happy, that is their right and is the basis of most religions (other than money!).


You telling me Santa doesn't exist???? Nooooooooo.....smack


As I've said elsewhere on a similar thread, everything in our universe is comprised of energy, and energy cannot be created or destroyed. Our memories and personalities may not necessarily survive physical death but the life force does.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy


Cor blimey! you are good. May the Force be with you bowdown


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I am really on the fence with this subject and it is something i do think about often as alot of close family of mine have died, it would be nice and comforting to think there is something afterwards. But then on the otherhand i think is it like before you were born, you wasnt there so dont exsist. Also me and my nan used to joke around all the time that she would haunt me when she has gone and now shes gone i havent had any "ghosty" things happen to me yet.......... we will never know till it happens to us! smile


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Originally Posted by geekus


I am absolutely certain that Albert Einstein is not suggesting that you can be visited by your great grandfather.

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Granny, thanks for your reply. Yeah, lets be pals, whatever the differences of our opinions. smile

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Originally Posted by bizzybee
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I am absolutely certain that Albert Einstein is not suggesting that you can be visited by your great great grandfather.

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