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Originally Posted by Tilly


i wouldn't muzzle my dogs. 1. they don't bite 2. because of the others that wouldn't muzzle theirs, if mine were attacked by an un muzzled dog how do mine defend themselves.


Tilly - up to a point I agree with what you are saying but that is the same excuse that half the kids use for carrying knives! They say they carry them to protect themselves from others that carry them.
It all turns into a spiral with no let up. Something somewhere has to give.

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Originally Posted by Softy_Southerner
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i wouldn't muzzle my dogs. 1. they don't bite 2. because of the others that wouldn't muzzle theirs, if mine were attacked by an un muzzled dog how do mine defend themselves.


Tilly, they haven't bit yet, never say never, who knows what around the corner. If it was law to muzzle all dogs, followed by a heavy fine if your caught without a muzzle on a dog in a public place, it would soon catch on and the vast majority of people would obey the law, just like the seat belt law or the non smoking in public places law.


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I agree - all dogs muzzled. Simple job for dog wardens, any dog without a muzzle is automatically picked up, whether owner present or not.

If owner gives them hard time, photograph them and £200 on the spot fine.

If owner wants dog back then £100 return charge valid only for 7 days.

Second offence all fees/fines are doubled, third trebled etc.

Within a couple of months there wouldn't be an unmuzzled dog in site.

I wouldn't put a hydraulic scissor in charge a person or animal with a mental age of a small child and then left to roam in public.

Powerful jawed dogs should classed the same as lions etc and licenced and controlled the same.

Where is the problem with any of that?


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i wouldn't muzzle my dogs. 1. they don't bite 2. because of the others that wouldn't muzzle theirs, if mine were attacked by an un muzzled dog how do mine defend themselves.


Tilly - up to a point I agree with what you are saying but that is the same excuse that half the kids use for carrying knives! They say they carry them to protect themselves from others that carry them.
It all turns into a spiral with no let up. Something somewhere has to give.


right so muzzle ALL dogs. so why not make ALL kids walk around with their hands tied behind their backs! another problem solved??
not all kids are knife wielding thugs. same as not all dogs bite.

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I am afraid its the attitude that means no dogs are muzzled and kids (and adults) get killed and maimed.

No dogs bite until they do.

What is the reason you won't have a muzzle on your dog, most owners are happy to put a collar and lead on.

Sorry we are on opposite sides of the fence on this one Tilly.


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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
I am afraid its the attitude that means no dogs are muzzled and kids (and adults) get killed and maimed.

No dogs bite until they do.

What is the reason you won't have a muzzle on your dog, most owners are happy to put a collar and lead on.

Sorry we are on opposite sides of the fence on this one Tilly.


no worries DD smile

my dogs wear a Halti/headcollar because they to pull when out on a lead. I don't see why they should have to wear a Muzzle when they don't bite. simple. smile




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WHY oh WHY do all people automatically crucify the breed, I have an Irish Staff and am always in Central Park with him I regularly have him off his lead but if I see a strange dog I put him on his lead. This poor woman must have been terrified when her little dog was attacked. Laws must be introduced to protect us all .... Bull breed lovers too.... why can't there be a card carrying dog licence introduced and laws stating nobody under 21 can be in charge of / own a bull breed . Have the licencing scaled from 1 to 5 with little dogs at 1 and the big powerful breeds at 5 starting at £20 per year for a grade 1 dog to £100 per year for the bigger stronger dogs .
I see these youths walking with sometimes up to 4 or 5 american bulldaogs and wonder how they are allowed to roam the streets like this . If licencin g is introduced and policed properly the majority of problem owners will be dealt with in pretty short order

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Its not a matter of crucifying the breed, its a case of common sense, you wouldn't give a loaded gun to a three year old, unfortunately some breeds of dogs have jaws powerful enough to do severe damage. Don't forget kids aren't allowed to carry/buy knives because they are not considered responsible enough.

Why do we have laws governing other dangerous animals (lions, tigers etc), or do you disagree with them as well, they are only another breed of animal. And as has been shown MANY times, some of these animals have been passive for many years but can turn.

What is wrong with a muzzle other than stubbornness of owners which is near identical to the stubbornness of the irresponsible dog owners?

Many of us fought the seatbelt laws, there was no logic to the objection, just stubbornness but just about everybody has accepted them now - how painful was that, not at all! Muzzles are equally important and equally painless.

I was reminded about the seatbelts the other day, when I had a young girl passenger in my car, just as we were arriving at her house she took her seatbelt off a bit early, at the same time a dog that was walking with its owner, dived into the road immediately in front of me. I braked very hard and the young girl smashed her face into the windscreen - luckily I was only doing about 10 mph.

This reminds me that I was stupid enough to fight the seatbelt laws, if I had been doing 20mph she would had some sort of facial injury.

Come on guys, eat your pride, go with the muzzles and make ALL dogs safe.


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Originally Posted by cmarkyj68
WHY oh WHY do all people automatically crucify the breed, I have an Irish Staff and am always in Central Park with him I regularly have him off his lead but if I see a strange dog I put him on his lead. This poor woman must have been terrified when her little dog was attacked. Laws must be introduced to protect us all .... Bull breed lovers too.... why can't there be a card carrying dog licence introduced and laws stating nobody under 21 can be in charge of / own a bull breed . Have the licencing scaled from 1 to 5 with little dogs at 1 and the big powerful breeds at 5 starting at £20 per year for a grade 1 dog to £100 per year for the bigger stronger dogs .
I see these youths walking with sometimes up to 4 or 5 american bulldaogs and wonder how they are allowed to roam the streets like this . If licencin g is introduced and policed properly the majority of problem owners will be dealt with in pretty short order

Totally agree with you there about bull breeds being the brunt of every legislation they can throw at them. I personally love the bull breeds it's the majority of louts that own them.
BSL has to go it doesn't work.
my son had an irish staff for many years she was the most loving dog ever.

muzzles will never be enforced DD because
As with "all dogs on leads in a public place", it isn't enforceable...there isn't going to be a dog warden in every field, park, footpath and alleyway in the county dishing out fines for your dog not wearing a muzzle. There isn't and will never be the manpower to make that happen.

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