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im not a student nor a fag!!! i'm old enough to know better really! yes, i have a facebook account, that I dont often bother with- it was set up to monitor what my daughter was up- to.
i did watch the x factor too and was glad that joe won. however, i would like ratm to be number one this year- just for the 'comedy' factor, really!
i couldnt really give a shit who or what wins, at the end of the day. i wont be buying either- or other -singles. ill either chuckle to myself, or roll my eyes....wont make any difference to me.

it does seem a little ironic that somebody chose the RATM song - with its anti-establishment 'fook you i won't do what you tell me!' message - that ppl are doing just that - conforming to an idea. Maybe humans are most comfortable when they are locked into conformity

too true! oh! the irony... pmsl.......................

I still don't get why all of a sudden, people are raving over a song, that was done over a decade ago, and by a band who were generally disliked in the UK when they were at their peak (late 90's and early 00's).

As I say, I love RATM, well used to, don't think they have released much for a good while, last album I got was Renegades, which was about 6 years ago, maybe more, but everyone hated them, said they were shit etc, and now everyone likes them??

Is this because the media told you to? What fools!!

Im not 100% sure how it started, but I think it was one of those pathetic groups on facebook.

Last year it was Jeff Buckley, people tried to download his version of Hallelujah instead, because it was a MUCH MUCH better version of that song than the failure..oh sorry, I mean WINNER of XFactor last year!


Anyway, so the idea has already been planted. But this time, somone thought, I know. Lets all download something very "Anti" christmas, to fight the system. We will not tolerate crappy pop songs anymore. Now then, whats the least likely song to ever get a number 1, but people still like? Hmmmmm.... I know... RATM!

And so it started, and then someone must have mentioned it to radio 1, who thanks to IKNOWNOTHINGABOUTMUSICUNLESSITSUNDERGROUNDANDNOTRELEASEDBECAUSEIMUBERCOOL Zane Lowe...is played and supported literally every single day!!!

The ironic thing, its not the first Christmas Number 1 to be "against the system". Anyone know what was number 1 of Christmas 1979??

Pink Floyd - Another Brick in the Wall Pt II
Much better song

Sorry but i'm all for Rage Against The Machine.

Having worked at BMG (now Sony Music) some years ago (as did my sister), i know how cocky Simon Cowell is and thinks he rules the UK charts, well, ok so he profits from Rage too (they're on a sub-label of Sony) but he won't get his predictable X-Factor winner to the no.1 slot quite as easily this year. Why should he just assume his winner should have it anyway, let him fight for it for once? I like what the singer of Rage (Zack De La Rocha) said today.

"Simon is an interesting character. He seems to have profited greatly off humiliating people on live television and has a unique position of capturing the attention of people on television, but also the airwaves. We see this as a necessary break of that control."

I bought the mp3 yesterday but i used a link that benefits the charity 'Shelter' and Tom Morello of RATM is donating his share to music related charities within the UK, giving it back to those serious about breaking into the industry without having to go through the make or break cycle of X-Factor/Pop Idol type shows.

On the facebook group that started it all, the admins are not a nasty bunch (can't speak for all on the friends list though) but they just wanna prove a point that Cowell doesn't speak for the entire nation where music is concerned, i've been into rock/alternative for most my life and although i like Joe, its not to my tastes, good luck to him but bring some metal love back to the top 5 - and i don't mean The Killers or McFly! lol.

http://www.facebook.com/settings/?t...php?v=info&ref=ts&gid=2228594104

Donate to Shelter http://www.justgiving.com/ratm4xmas/

^well said.^

Im sorry, but that is Bribery.

Oh, download our song and we'll give money to charity.
Dont get me wrong, I dont like X Factor or Joe Dingleberry, but I dislike RATM just as much. If thats how they are resorting to gaining sales, by donating some of their profits to charity, then so be it. End of the day, the charities will benefit. But Its competely wrong for them to jump on the charity bandwagon to make out their doing it for the good of mankind.

RATM are Rap Metal, not proper metal. How about Fade to Black by Metallica? Thats easily a better song, by a proper metal band.

If you want a metal band to run for christmas number 1, try going for someone who hvent become the Modern Day Che Guevarra. That is, people vote/like them, but the majority dont know what they are about, their views..or how they are the least "Qualified" metal band to represent that music genre

No, Rage didn't re-release this song, sheer demand brought it back and all Tom Morello is saying, whatever he makes off the back of it, he's giving back to the people who bought it, better than him saying "gee thanks for putting us back on the top spot with an old track and i'm gonna go buy a Porche now" isn't it? So RATM isn't everyones cup of tea? Neither is Joe or Metallica, we could be picking a 'metal' song everyone likes for no.1 for years mate and still not get anywhere, at least this is 'in yer face X-Factor' and be done with it for a year. This isn't a genre argument really, its an X-Factor one!

Buy wot you like....or dont buy. Simples.

Totally Rude, its about choice x

I saw RATM in 1993 in the Royal Court! I love them!

Have a look at the video/soundbyte of them playing on Radio 5:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00pbq9j#p005n8wp

Tom Morello is a Harvard graduate with folks from a grassroots political background (father in Mau Mau), he's not soft and whether or not he's a millionaire, I think what he's saying is a breath of fresh air. I'd buy a Gary Glitter record if it meant Simon Cowell's project not getting to number 1.
Doesn't SC work for BMG (who was previously 'executive'd' by Simon Cowell's father)? RATM are signed to Sony, and not a subsidiarity? Does anyone have a link to how he is going benefit from this (not The Sun one).

BMG no longer exist its now Sony Music but Simons company 'Syco Music' operates under the Sony Music banner. He won't outright benefit from this but Sony will and therefore he'll be patted on the back thanks to some kind of golden handshake deal with the execs no doubt, he has a whole corner of the new Sony building to himself so he must be high up with that lot nowadays.

Jesus, I wonder how The Sun managed to turn that into a headline! I highly doubt he'll get a penny from it, surely!

This says it all for me though.. taken from Kerrang online. Its a bit longwinded but sums it up nicely.

A few weeks ago Rage Against The Machine fan Jon Morter set up a FaceBook group to encourage rock fans to buy the LA political metaller’s 1992 hit, Killing In The Name, as a protest against the perceived monopoly reality TV show the X Factor has over the Christmas singles market.

Morter told Kerrang! last week that he “snapped” while watching the show one night and set up the group to see who else agreed with him. When K! started covering the story earlier this month, the group had just under 60,000 members. Now it boats a staggering 868,552 members, and 306,115 of whom have purchased Killing In The Name this week putting it just under 9,000 copies ahead of X Factor winner Joe McElderry’s cover of Miley Cyrus' The Climb according to mid-week chart reports.

While it is mildly amusing that a song which features the refrain ’fook you I won’t do what you tell me!’ might be the festive Number One, as it was with The Darkness’s attempt at a Christmas hit in 2003 with Christmas Time (Don't Let the Bells End), there’s a much more important reason why rock fans should care about this seemingly pointless chart battle – the future of rock music itself.

With reality TV shows such as X Factor, American Idol, Britain’s Got Talent etc. providing record companies with a wealth of fame hungry wannabes that they don’t have to spend time or money promoting or developing because they come complete with a ready made audience who will buy their records regardless, they have stopped signing rock and metal bands who, traditionally, take years to make any significant financial returns for record companies.

“These reality TV shows really puts the blockers on new up and coming bands who write and perform their own stuff because the labels focus on channelling their marketing spend into these (mostly) short term, 'sure-fire' TV-fuelled successes,” a senior music industry figure, who wishes to remain anonymous, told K! “It really isn’t about music, quality of music or longevity for any resulting reality TV show artists or bands.”

“Also these reality TV show artists are deemed a priority within the label and so the newer bands perhaps do not get the true attention and push to radio / press etc. that really need to make their mark, or indeed the financial support to enable them to tour,” our source added. “And what’s worse, this is happening on a global level.”

While the vast majority of comments on this website have been supportive of the Rage Vs X factor campaign, there are still a few disillusioned posters who feel that an X Factor victory is inevitable - it is not! According to figures released by The Official Charts Company, Rage Against The Machine have been significantly ahead of Joe McElderry every day this week.

You’ve still got until 11:59PM tomorrow (Saturday, December 19) to make a difference. And, even if you own it already, you can purchase Killing In The name form a number of online e-tailers for as little as 29p.

Take a stand people, your music needs you!"