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#195787 - 17th Jan 2008 4:35pm Airliner crash-lands at Heathrow
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An international passenger plane has crash-landed short of the south runway at Heathrow Airport after losing its rear undercarriage.

All 136 passengers and 16 crew escaped from the British Airways flight BA038 from Beijing. Six people have been taken to hospital with minor injuries.

An airport worker told the BBC that the pilot said he had lost all power and had to glide the plane into land.

All BA short haul flights from Heathrow have been cancelled and others delayed.

The BBC's Angus Crawford said the worker, who was not identified, said the pilot told him all the electronics had also failed.

BA refused to comment on the report and said it would not speculate on the cause of the crash.

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#195818 - 17th Jan 2008 6:32pm Re: Airliner crash-lands at Heathrow [Re: krisGTi]
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I'll be intregued to see what the fault with the plane was. Luckily it was so close to Heathrow when this happened it was able to land. Hope it doesn't have too much an effect on the roads with many passenger delays tonight as i live relativley close and it will have knock on effects. Luckily i dont have to go central London becasue the Picadilly line will be jam packed more than usual!

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#195865 - 17th Jan 2008 8:28pm Re: Airliner crash-lands at Heathrow [Re: jordan]
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Watched this live this afternoon on the 1pm News, the BBC getting sketchy reports from the PA, which all turned out to be true.

Will be interested to see what the cause was.

I like the way that some guy, who was driving his car on the road near it, is in a bid for fame by stating "it was terrible, he could see it had problems as it went over his car", when even seasoned plane spotters thought it was just a normal landing until the last couple of seconds, and cabin crew and passengers just thought it was a rough landing... Some people dont half chat shit!!

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#195879 - 17th Jan 2008 8:38pm Re: Airliner crash-lands at Heathrow [Re: MattLFC]
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yeah i watched it on the News today aswell, It landed a fair bit before the runway aswell.

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#195936 - 17th Jan 2008 10:30pm Re: Airliner crash-lands at Heathrow [Re: Civic_Coupe_Sean]
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They say he glided it in due to no power.
Cleared the fence by 15ft...

At last a pilot who earned his 200,000 pay cheque smile
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#195939 - 17th Jan 2008 10:34pm Re: Airliner crash-lands at Heathrow [Re: Mark]
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Yeah, but that doesnt explain the cause wink

They havent ruled anything out last time I watched the News (6:30 on ITV), but its highly unlikely it was a fuelling problem, so it means it must be engine failiure from another source... both engines failed at the same time, which is unusual if its just a broken engine; my money is on either an electrical fault, or dare I say it, a mallicious act, maybe terrorism.

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#195990 - 18th Jan 2008 10:10am Re: Airliner crash-lands at Heathrow [Re: MattLFC]
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Most cases are Pilot error.
Ive been watching Air Crash Investigations on National Geographic.

Not saying this one is pilot error.
But at least everyone is off safe and the pilot is a hero ( For now ).
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#195993 - 18th Jan 2008 10:22am Re: Airliner crash-lands at Heathrow [Re: Mark]
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How can complete engine failiure be pilot error? Dont they often use Autopilot to land anyway nowadays?

I kinda see when ya coming from, but if a pilot "pressed the wrong button" for instance and it caused both engines to instantly shut down, im never boarding a plane again.

I value my life lmao grin

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#196036 - 18th Jan 2008 4:15pm Re: Airliner crash-lands at Heathrow [Re: MattLFC]
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I'm sure they have a shut down sequence to turn the engines off, not just a button.

So pilot must of made a major mistake if it was his fault. Or dear we say it was tampered with, but again i'm sure something would of happened much earlier on in the flight if it was.

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#196040 - 18th Jan 2008 4:43pm Re: Airliner crash-lands at Heathrow [Re: MattLFC]
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Originally Posted By: MattLFC
Dont they often use Autopilot to land anyway nowadays?
Its take off and approach they dont.

If there landing and on the glide slope it gets turned off
i think its when you see the wheels.

There are to many redundancies in modern air craft
for the engines to turn off.

It could even be something like lack of fuel.
That would give NO Power.

Time will tell.
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#196063 - 18th Jan 2008 5:19pm Re: Airliner crash-lands at Heathrow [Re: Mark]
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Either way...it does seem a bit iffy...I can remember hearing somewhere that a fully laden boeing 747 at a normal cruising altitude of say 35,000 feet, would be able to glide safely for several thousand miles if its engines were to suddenly shut down
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#196065 - 18th Jan 2008 5:23pm Re: Airliner crash-lands at Heathrow [Re: MGCraig]
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On the BBC News yesterday, they said that autopilot can land a plane with almost no need for the pilot except to keep an eye on things and intervene if there is a need to?

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#196078 - 18th Jan 2008 6:56pm Re: Airliner crash-lands at Heathrow [Re: MGCraig]
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Either way...it does seem a bit iffy...I can remember hearing somewhere that a fully laden boeing 747 at a normal cruising altitude of say 35,000 feet, would be able to glide safely for several thousand miles if its engines were to suddenly shut down
or about 35 - 45 mins wink

Autopilots can land planes, but no one would get on them
they want the human factor wink

Air france many moons ago, done a huge demo.
And it flew over the runway about 10ft above it.
And landed in the trees with a poof of smoke.



And on a lighter note



If that gear wont come down there are always options
provided you have the time that is lol

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#196095 - 18th Jan 2008 7:44pm Re: Airliner crash-lands at Heathrow [Re: Mark]
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#196779 - 20th Jan 2008 6:01pm Re: Airliner crash-lands at Heathrow [Re: MGCraig]
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The British Airways plane that crash-landed at Heathrow is being moved from the southern runway.

Engineers described it as a "delicate" operation to place the 200-tonne jet on wheeled platforms to be taken to a hangar 500m away.

Accident investigators will continue with their examination of the plane and are expected to report back in 30 days.

All 136 passengers and 16 crew on the BA flight from Beijing survived after the crash-landing on Thursday.

Bruce Hunter, general manager of BA Operational Maintenance, said it would take hours to complete the removal of the aeroplane.

BBC News Report

Some photographs - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/7195804.stm

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