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diggingdeeper #1085062 10th Mar 2024 1:17pm
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When the Pope releases all the records he has hidden away of child abuse, killings and other crimes then he can speak. The same goes for the Church of England.

Instead, they have chosen to discredit themselves.


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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
When the Pope releases all the records he has hidden away of child abuse, killings and other crimes then he can speak. The same goes for the Church of England.

Instead, they have chosen to discredit themselves.


Quite agree DD the Vatican has a dubious record of looking after its self and its own interests dating back to WW2, the Church of England no better.

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That's right you two.... blame the Christians !

Child sex abuse goes on in all faiths , Hinduism, Judaism, Buddism, Muslim , and when everyone has finished knocking the Chirstians, seen the churches taken over as Mosques, and left with predominately Islam against Judaism in this country,, don;t start crying because our own British values have been eroded . It's happening now, and will continue to be so.

I think the Pope was trying to say, raise the white flag to go into discussions with Putin.
So far, Zelensky has declined on at least two occassions to have talks with the Russians.

Sexual Abuse in Jewish Communities. Sexual abuse is a national problem, not only in society at large but also in many religious faiths, including Jewish communities.

https://hermanlaw.com/practices/clergy/judaism/


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Originally Posted by granny
That's right you two.... blame the Christians ! https://hermanlaw.com/practices/clergy/judaism/


I certainly will, the level of abuse within the religions is higher than in the general population, they have had loads of opportunities to come clean but instead they have continued to cover up the past and the present. It is the ultimate hypocrisy. The scale is completely off the charts. They apologise then they do it again. Unfortunately no Government has the bottle to prosecute them.


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I'm glad you said 'religions', rather than pinpointing one religion .

So far as the COE goes, I do believe it's lost it's way, but if a lay preacher abuses a child behind the cloth in Scotland, it's hardly likely that the Archbishop will even know about it. If these things are brought into the open, then the necessary punishment is applied.

A Muslim allegedly converting to Christianity, is not likely to be found abusing a child in a hovel in the depths of inner city London.

However, the abuse goes on in schools, hospitals, and child orientated organisations and lets not forget 'corpses' !

The fact that the Pope made a call for a possible meeting of two sides of a conflict, could have been his way of holding onto hope that the Ukraine (being a Christian country) might save more lives being lost.
No one should condemn him for that, despite the centuries of historic abuse in the Catholic institutions.

I suspect that you would be in agreement with Church schools being closed, but not the Muslim and Jewish schools ?

Anyway, Gaza is this topic not Ukraine , the Pope or the Archbishop.Many 'leaders ' of one type or another throughout the world , should all be put in the wringer at certain times.

Abuse of Christians is world wide, and killings , destruction of Christian homes and Churches at an all time high. Islamic militants have killed 50,000 Christians in Nigeria since 2010. Punjab, 2023 , 100 Christian homes burnt down and 27 churches ransacked. Chad, 35% Christians , May 2023, 20 villages burnt down and 20,000 displaced. ... and so it goes on.

The map below gives all the countries where Christians are being subjected to suffering of one type or another... ongoing as of 2023, and many of the perpetrators of those persecutions are finding their way to UK across the Med.

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Gaza doesn't get any better and Nigeria is in the depths of despair too .

Nearly 300 children kidnapped from school there, yesterday .

Should we really be concerned or should we switch off and allow these countries to sort out their own problems.

It all gets very depressing, particualrly as we are constantly fed the ongoing bad news from worldwide conflicts .

Where's Casper ? Have I frightened you ? Still love you.. XXX


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Originally Posted by granny
but if a lay preacher abuses a child behind the cloth in Scotland, it's hardly likely that the Archbishop will even know about it.

And that is my problem with these institutions, while the perpetrators are criminals as in the rest of the walks of life, the churches are institutions preaching morality, if they learn about abuse or crime the very first thing they should do is inform the police, not spend years "investigating" or shuffling people and evidence around and waiting to see if they can bury it.

Not only does that apply to the present, they should release all their historic records they have squirrelled away of various crimes.

When the institution is involved it is multiple people involved and all of them are equally culpable as well as the institution itself.

As far as I'm concerned, they have outstayed their welcome and it is beyond me why they have any special status socially, legally or politically.


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That's right you two.... blame the Christians ! https://hermanlaw.com/practices/clergy/judais

No granny still here, as you say all religions are guilty of some kind of abuse, but some stand out above others due to the fact of the influence they have, the Popes ill thought out words of waving the white flag I would imagine have the opposite effect in Ukraine more like waving a red rag to a bull, ill chosen words often aggravate rather than pacify, the Archbishop reaching out to the Muslim faith may appear as taking sides, its all down to interpritation, wouldn't it be better if they appeared neutral and just said words like to all those suffering in the various conflicts around the world our thoughts are with you, aren't we all equal in gods eyes ?

Wheres Casper ? that sounds like the basis for a who dunnit. love you too xxx

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Good Mornning.

Yes, you're both right in what you say and the crime does cover many areas connected to children .

Having just listened to the last end of a docu on Timor and surrounding regions, they don;t even consider abuse and peodophilia to be wrong . An acceptible way of life, apparently. I'm not sure which is the major religion there, but I suspect if it's an acceptable practice, it won't be confined to the religous institutions.

Unfortuantely, where abuse and peodophilia is concerned, often the victims don't come forward. They probably don;t know how to when young, some won;t even know it's wrong, and others would prefer not to admit to the horrors inflicted on them.

To be honest, I don;t even know if I could have come forward as a victim of abused as a child. It must be a terrrible experience to rake it all up again with all the questioning etc , even in adulthood.

We should though. not forget those who have no part and follow their own religion as a member of a faith , and if nothing else, it can give comfort in times of need . At the end of the day, everyone needs someone .

Back to Gaza..

It's just getting horrid. More shooting last night as people trying to get aid. Is this why the deliveries of aid arrive in the dark... so the shooters can;t be identified ? Now Israel has put forward that Gaza will be islands !! People to move from the South back to the centre, and they will be in islands.. I suppose that means they will be behind barbed wire and sectioned off from others.. A bit like Jerusalem, and the east /west walls.

Have a good weekend. X

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( To be honest, I don;t even know if I could have come forward as a victim of abused as a child. It must be a terrrible experience to rake it all up again with all the questioning etc , even in adulthood. )

Having just re-read my above post, the wording could have indicated that I was abused as a child.
No, I wasn't. So I'm sorry if anyone picked up the wrong message , it was a badly contructed sentence. However, my heart goes out to any who have been .


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