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Planning application proposes that Heswall’s Sheldrakes becomes a luxury home
https://heswall.nub.news/n/planning...eswalls-sheldrakes-becomes-a-luxury-home

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This is the planning application if anyone wants to object:

https://planning.wirral.gov.uk/onli...WIRRA_DCAPR_112531&activeTab=summary

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Interesting - you'll still get mozzies on that fine terrace, however much you spend. Anyone know what's likely to happen to the boatyard and the assortment of decaying boats? I actually find that area rather attractive, lots of photo opportunities if you like peeling paint etc (not being facetious, I do find peeling paint photogenic!)

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Heswall Boat Yard is still active as a business I think, most of the boats on the mud are abandonments.

Interesting on Sheldrakes considering the amount of (tax deductable?) building work that has gone on over recent years.

Classed as green belt despite the amount of buildings that have accrued in the area.


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Why would anyone object this application?
If the business is loss making, this is a better use for the property rather than letting it fall into disrepair.

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One objection is from someone in Marlow, Buckinghamshire, the other is in Oxton (which may not display their correct address).


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I was wondering why someone so far away would be objecting.
Why doesn't it ever show their comments and why they are objecting?

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Originally Posted by mikeeb
I was wondering why someone so far away would be objecting.
Why doesn't it ever show their comments and why they are objecting?


I'm sure they used to show the comments at one time but this Government has a policy of restricting Open Democracy. Next thing it will be yet another piece of public data that you have to pay to view.

It seems back-to-front to me, the originator should be anonymous, the comment should be public.

Either the comment is relevant/valid or not, it is totally irrelevant to a planning decision who makes that comment.

There should be more follow-up on planning promises, like saying the development is to support 25 full-time jobs when in reality it achieves more like 12 jobs and not all full-time. If promises like that are allowed to influence planning permission then they should be made accountable.


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Originally Posted by mikeeb
Why would anyone object this application?
If the business is loss making, this is a better use for the property rather than letting it fall into disrepair.


The argument that the place be turned from a restaurant to a house simply because it has "struggled to be financially viable" is rubbish. Plenty of places in Heswall and West Kirby are thriving and the blame should be placed on a poorly managed and advertised restaurant if business is bad. There was a time you had to book way in advance to eat here. I couldn't get in anywhere in West Kirby and Heswall on Sunday for lunch because they were fully booked. I managed to get a table somewhere in Hoylake, but only if I could eat and be off before the reservation party arrived.

And like DD says, a private house won't have any employees compared to the restaurant.

"increased competition from the restaurants and bars in Heswall" is another moot point considering the restaurant is over a mile away from Heswall centre. I can name plenty of restaurants around Lancashire which thrive despite being in a rural location.

Sheldrakes is a beautiful unique restaurant where splendid dining with incredible views shouldn't be the preserve of one family with money. And how long will it be before the new owners of the residence want to restrict public access down to the waterside?

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If there are no buyers to take the restaurant on, what are they supposed to do? Let it rot?
Regarding public access to the waterside, this is a public byway so access will not be restricted.

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The owner is around 60 now, she also runs at least one other business (Brook Hall Hotel and Restaurant, Childer Thornton), it is her choice whether to close Sheldrakes or not. As far as I am aware Sheldrakes wasn't put up for sale so she is converting it to residential use for herself or to sell after development.

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Regarding public access to the waterside, this is a public byway so access will not be restricted.


So you would think but we lost access to Bromborough Port at McTay/Carmet which was a public right of way.


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And lets not forget Monks Ferry car park and slipway

https://www.facebook.com/savemonksferry/

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Monks Ferry car park is still there with public access.

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Originally Posted by mikeeb
Monks Ferry car park is still there with public access.


Council refused planning permission but lost on appeal so it is still under threat of being built on.

https://planning.wirral.gov.uk/onli...ry&previousKeyVal=_WIRRA_DCAPR_93184


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The decision date of the appeal is 13 Oct 2015.
So what was the decision?

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Originally Posted by mikeeb
The decision date of the appeal is 13 Oct 2015.
So what was the decision?


The Council's refusal was overturned and the planning permission was passed however a subsequent planning application along similar lines was refused by the Council and has not been appealed iirc.


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