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Climate Change #1067203
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Just wondering how many of us believe in climate change (I do) and if someone could do a poll on here.
Was thinking if it keeps on hotting up and a growing population and leakages will we come to a point where we have serious water shortages.
Just found after a google that there is only 1 major desalinated water plant in the UK and that's in London.
I think Wirral (being surrounded on 3 sides by water and having land to build on) would be in a good position to build desalinated water plant or plants.
Should we start thinking of water aid for ourselves within the next couple of decades

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Re: Climate Change [Re: derekdwc] #1067204
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I believe in climate change, I don't believe man-made climate change is significant.

Any shortage of water is down to poor management by the water companies, they will be in for a major shake-up sometime in the future. They have basically been borrowing money in order to pay shareholders, shareholders should be paid out of profits not losses, putting a company further in debt to pay shareholders should be illegal.

When the water companies were privatised they sacked many people who maintained the streams etc that supplied the reservoirs.

Few of the water companies have consistently achieved their targets for reducing pipe leakage, reducing leakage is far more cost effective than desalination.

Its a classic example of where a critical infrastructure should not be in the hands of private companies, they have failed, they have ripped us off.

It is unlikely that there will be a shortage of rainfall in the UK in the foreseeable future, its the management of water that is the problem.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: derekdwc] #1067207
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If you don't believe in the effect of human activity on the planet then you clearly haven't seen this:


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Is the rise coincidence? And I assume you then go on to deny the simple physics involving why IR is absorbed by the gas and its prevented from being reradiated to space

And of course it's pretty easy to ignore the reason for 4 mm of sea level rise and the fact that it implies a loss of about 1,000 cubic kilometres of land ice every year. Add in the loss of sea ice and the total goes to about 1,500 cubic kilometres. More coincidence?

Interestingly the London desalination plant was built next to the enormous Beckton sewage treatment plant which treats almost all of London's sewage (more when the 'supersewer' is complete). The reason is pretty obvious. What comes out of the sewage plant is of much lower salinity than seawater and the energy cost of desalination is directly proportional to the salt concentration. I wonder if Londoners are aware of this...?

Re: Climate Change [Re: derekdwc] #1067209
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I believe in climate change, but I'm always wary of facts being skewed to present a certain point of view.

Take the graph above. I've found another website showing the same graph. But they also include this information:

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The last time the atmospheric CO2 amounts were this high was more than 3 million years ago, when temperature was 2°–3°C (3.6°–5.4°F) higher than during the pre-industrial era, and sea level was 15–25 meters (50–80 feet) higher than today.

Re: Climate Change [Re: derekdwc] #1067211
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Well, I'm a believer. Climate change will affect different parts of the world in different ways which many people just haven't grasped yet. To use an old phrase, 'There's none so blind as them that won't see'. As for the water issues, I think some parts of the country (south east?) rely more on underground aquifers (which take longer to replenish) than on reservoirs as we do. Those areas might face challenges - already do, in hot dry summers - but around here I don't think it'd be a problem. Of course, if grey water recovery was used more, incorporated on all newbuilds for example; if people had water butts to collect rainwater, planted more drought tolerant plants, were generally more careful with this precious resource which we tend to take for granted, that would improve things too. I think water should be metered, as is gas and electricity, so you pay for what you use from the mains system - with exemptions for people who need more water for medical reasons. A lot of homes in single occupancy especially if in Band B or above would actually save money by being metered.

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Too many folk out to make a quick buck. Removing CO2 through some sort of system involving lime. No gas central heating in new homes by 2025. All electric cars. Too many people on the planet. UK used to be tropical (long, long ago), then the ice age came and went. Pressure groups left, right and centre spewing out doom and gloom.

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I believe climate change is happening, but simply cutting down on energy and all the things that are we are supposedly responsible for omitting in this country, is pure rubbish.

We have done well so far, and have more in the pipeline. It should NOT be a political persuasive subject it should be a concentration of minds to secure the best options forward..... for the whole world.

How many super oil tankers out on the seas , and how much low grade bunker fuel do they use per day ? How is it that oil and gas exploration is continuous and particularly in the eastern Med off Israel, Egypt and Greece at the moment. So that threat is not going to disappear soon.

One massive container ship equals 50 million cars

Fifteen of the worlds biggest ships may now emit emit as much pollution as the worlds 760 million cars. (2009)

None of it will stop because there's too much money in oil and gas guzzling yanks, and globalisation has increased the transport by sea on a massive scale.
Then there are the Cruise Liners, one company took a total of 6 million passengers last year ! Everything is too big, and the major companies are not going to change their money making ventures..... are they ?
What does any one say about Amazon's carbon footprint for example.

We are being fed rubbish just for another round of increased prices. IMO. and no one has any intention of trying to reduce the climate change scenario it's all political hot air..... yet again .

I object to the wringing of the ordinary home owner who is abiding by all we are able to do, but constantly have our costs raised for fuel and heating , for which we can scarcely afford now.
I have spent half the winter months in bed, trying to keep warm.. resulting in stiff joints and damp walls.

Have a look at marine traffic... it is a staggering picture world wide.
Red = tankers
Green = Cargo
D Blue = Cruise Liners

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:19.4/centery:33.8/zoom:6


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So far as the South East water supplies are concerned, they had their own underground water supply that were cut off in the 70's (I think '70's). Why don't they start digging ?

If they start taking our water across land to the South East and London...which is what the plans are and have been for a while, can you imagine how it is going to be paid for.. ? Yes, more hike in charges for the average Joe.

Water is the most natural thing on earth, and if it's becoming a 'precious resource' then maybe scientists should endeavour to make more clouds.
We can plant trees instead of taking them down as in plantations. and killing off the orang-utans at the same time .
50 million trees to be planted between Liverpool and Hull already in the pipeline. Who knew that ? Mentioned in the Climate Speech last week by Claire Perry

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Re: Climate Change [Re: Excoriator] #1067223
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Originally Posted by Excoriator
If you don't believe in the effect of human activity on the planet then you clearly haven't seen this:


That shows nothing about cause, there are numerous other natural things happening as well eg Mars is getting warmer or is that attributed to humans as well, strangely a few years ago the climate scientists tried to deny Mars is warming. The earth's magnetic field is going completely wild, is that attributed to humans as well?

As fas as CO2 goes, they reckon it is a positive feedback situation, the more CO2 in the atmosphere the warmer it gets which creates more CO2 etc etc. I have never seen an explanation of how CO2 levels reduced from the previous higher levels.

Then you suddenly realise how politicised this all is with things being brought in by Governments that don't make sense, we have a predicted shortage of electricity yet we are promoting electric cars that is not only creating just as much CO2 but also haven't got a sustainable future.

We have wind-farms getting built everywhere that are doing little to reduce CO2, looking right now 7.2% of our electricity is coming from wind-farms, (once nuclear goes off-line as much of it is about to do), that figure will drop. But wind-farms are highly visible and make the politicians look like they are doing something.



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Climate does change.....it always will.
Progressive liberal hysteria doesnt help.
As ive said before on here....itll de bunk itself in time.
In this supposed 12 years time frame, we will still be here & the weather will be changeable & poor .
It will be in 50 years.
CC is about mans ego & narcissim plus putting bills up / taxing countries

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Listen to piers corbyn
Don easterbrook
Friends of science in canada
Learn about " paramitisation " of CC graphs
Dan pena talking about florida mortgages insurance ( very good point)
Heartland institute
And get back to me.....

Re: Climate Change [Re: granny] #1067246
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Granny I can't bear to think of you being cold in a damp house, spending time in bed and getting immobile.

Re: Climate Change [Re: Moonstar] #1067248
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Originally Posted by Moonstar
Granny I can't bear to think of you being cold in a damp house, spending time in bed and getting immobile.


The blinking house is freezing in the winter. As soon as the heating goes off the temperature plummets. The fact that my son had his ESA stopped by Maximus hasn't helped . They think he's fit for work, but I know he isn't ,so I've kept the two of us on a pension since January.
We have to keep warm, so no alternative . and yes, my sons room has three outside walls and has flipping mould growing now !
Once upon a time the oldies could huddle around a coal fire and get chill blains, .... now we can't even afford to put the gas fires on.
Nothing left in life Moonstar,, only hot water bottles, food banks, misery and memories.. Thank heaven for the memories wink

This is what really annoys me to be honest. Once our working life finishes, and the years roll on , we spend more and more time at home for one reason or another. We need to keep warm, we use water and electricity and gas every day, as part of the day. Those who go to work, have their heating, their electricity, their water all provided for until they arrive home at maybe 5 pm on average.
Then we hear the shouts that pensioners have never been so 'well off '. Corbyn says that some couples are up to £6,000 a year worse off because of the changes to benefit systems and others are calling for the winter fuel allowance to be stopped.
Well all I can say is, I only get about £6,000 per annum pension, (so how so many others are £6,000 worse off, I don't know)
Without the winter fuel allowance, we could easily be freezing to the toilet seats,
Is it not time for Parliament and Westminster and all government offices, to shut their heating off during the course of a working day and all council office and other office workers ?
Limit their caffine intake to 3 cups a day and no electric lighting until 3pm and make them pay to go to the loo.

Us poor pensioners have to do all that on a daily basis. Stomp, stomp, stomp stomp, slam !


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Claim pension credit, that tops your pension up to £8697 a year.

Also check and double check that you have no other company pensions and if you were married and partner has died then check there are no widows pensions from his previous employers. If you are divorced you may be entitled to a cut of ex's pension.

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Claiming against ex's pension, do you know if that goes on what he earned or just a bog standard amount ?


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