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Re: Complicated one. [Re: venice] #1055152
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The reason Corbyn is concentrating on men calling themselves women is because of all-woman shortlists. There are no men-only shortlists.

That would be sexist!

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300 women labour members object to Mr Corbyns policy of allowing trans people who self-identify as women to be allowed on all-women Labour candidate shortlists .Are they being reasonable or hypocritical?


TERFS!! No place in our Party.


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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
Would you like a person who claims they feel to be female despite having a male body sharing the toilets, showers or changing rooms with your daughter?

How do you certify they are truly trans-gender or just having a laugh or being opportunistic?

How often are they allowed to change perceived gender?


DD, genders within families share the same toilets, baths and showers everyday at home.

Are we really reducing the 'male species' so opportunist that they will 'certify' themselves transgender just to chance a bit of a perve at females sitting on the toilet? A quick glimpse of a breast or thigh in the shower? The internet is awash with porn. Why on earth would say, a teenager risk the mocking and the ridicule from his/ her peers for a quick perve? Base their whole lives on a lie for 'a laugh'. Nah...


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Originally Posted by RUDEBOX
Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
Would you like a person who claims they feel to be female despite having a male body sharing the toilets, showers or changing rooms with your daughter?

How do you certify they are truly trans-gender or just having a laugh or being opportunistic?

How often are they allowed to change perceived gender?


DD, genders within families share the same toilets, baths and showers everyday at home.

Are we really reducing the 'male species' so opportunist that they will 'certify' themselves transgender just to chance a bit of a perve at females sitting on the toilet? A quick glimpse of a breast or thigh in the shower? The internet is awash with porn. Why on earth would say, a teenager risk the mocking and the ridicule from his/ her peers for a quick perve? Base their whole lives on a lie for 'a laugh'. Nah...




I would say youre right re the perving aspect - its only a minor consideration, (although thats not going to help females in the changing rooms etc feel comfortable) but politics are a dirty manipulative business and one could argue that those males who capriciously claim to be female could actually get themselves into a position where they have a vote on issues where the balance of males and females voting , is likely to be crucial perhaps because a certain outcome would benefit women more than men .To get a genuine balance is I presume why the Labour party has all female shortlists. Do these two positions fit together comfortably?

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I don't think we are ready for this. Why is Corbyn not promoting the women who self identify as men ? Why is it only men who are self identifying with women that he mentions ?
With regard to these artificially created differences in gender, are the people really happy with themselves ? I feel very sorry that they have such a dilemma, but to burden that problem on the ordinary electorate for the sake of trying to prove a point of being inclusive of all, seems wrong.
The time will come when the children in our society, will be so messed up, they won't know what the heck they are. We know how gay and lesbians have suffered difficult times in their early years, why is it right to play with the minds of children who are happy with the way they are. Do they start to question themselves due to pressures of self identification ?
I sometimes feel that the majority seem to be suffering more for the minority, and to have these people with their gender differences in Parliament, making decisions on behalf of others ,means another factor will have to be included in the national curriculum, so everyone grows up knowing that it's ok to have operations to change who you are. Even we , can't fully comprehend sometimes, so how can kids ? Is it in America they are now saying that their children are faced with a transgender identity at the age of 3 yrs ! ?


Well said granma!

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Originally Posted by starakita
It will be even more difficult for kids being brought up as gender neutral when they get older



It shouldn't be thrown in everyone's faces the way it is, i mean you don't see straight people going around shouting straight power everywhere they go.


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It will be even more difficult for kids being brought up as gender neutral when they get older



It shouldn't be thrown in everyone's faces the way it is, i mean you don't see straight people going around shouting straight power everywhere they go.



That's right Ste, they say they want to be treated no differently they want to mix in, yet their actions dictate otherwise, in fact they seem to take delight in broadcasting they are different, with parades, specific pubs and clubs for the various genders, I remember being down in Southampton many years ago, we went on a bit of a Pub crawl and went into a Pub that turned out to be a gay Pub, lesbian as it turned out, we were asked to leave after being accused of going in to gawp, rather than causing any trouble we moved on, if that happened now the other way round they would be screaming discrimination.

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All getting beyond me ,crazy!

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