Well all those people that didn't want to start from a default position of hard Brexit have got the resulting wipe-out, we have given way on everything.
Worse still to all intents and purposes the EU has annexed Northern Ireland, this is going to have profound repercussions.
We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
I don't think the UK had any option but to give way on everything.
If you are leaving an organisation why on earth should they give way on anything that may be to their disadvantage?
As regards Northern Ireland, that is another fudge to suit everyone. As I understand it, it is a 'backstop' proposal if no better arrangement can be devised. Our useless government seems to believe that with added 'technology' all things are possible! We can have a border that simultaneously exists and doesn't exist. The world's first quantum entangled customs posts perhaps!
They still have power over us, the best we can hope for is a hokey cokey agreement one foot in one foot out, without a say and loss of benefits, I'am afraid there are only really two choices, either stay in or leave completely and tell them to stick their demands. to be honest I voted to remain, but I would rather be out than have a half arsed agreement.
Back in June 2016 the EU voted on annexing Northern Ireland (support the membership of Northern Ireland in the European Union “by whatever arrangement necessaryâ€), the vote was lost but only by 44%-56%.
Interestingly, this was also an occasion when a weird EU parliamentary mechanism came into play. When MEPs vote on a matter, they can later change their vote, on this occasion 65 MEPs changed their vote, the majority of whom changed their vote in favour of annexation.
Even stranger, the majority of UKIP MEPs voted in favour of annexation??? - though Farage was against.
We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
Hi DD, it’s always good to read your insightful views on the machinations of the body politic. Even though my interest and respect for politics in general and politicians in particular is declining exponentially, I believe we are heading for a general election which has been called for by Boris the buffoon. If I’m correct this is because the Buffoon hopes he can garner move M.P’s to push through his Brexit plans ( correct me if I’m wrong). What I’m wondering is, should I bother voting? What’s the point? This government, or any government come to that, don’t seem to mind us having some say in the composition of our local councils, but when it comes to important national matters they obviously think we are too thick to make the right choices i.e their choices. Who was it that said. “ Democracy only gives us the right to choose our own dictators “ ?
There is a need to vote, if you think public services are at their knees now, its going to be a lot worse if the Tories get in yet again.
Notice all the usual socialist promises coming from the Conservatives at the moment, its the same at every election and far too many people fall for it.
The top 1% of the country have doubled their income when the other 99% has virtually stood still.
The amount of senior managers in banks and other companies getting bonuses in the £millions for failing is a joke and an insult to the workforce and the people of this country.
We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
The £millions bonuses paid out to directors and management in this country and throughout the EU and world, is nothing to do with our Government. The Government cannot dictate to companies by telling them what and how to pay their staff.
What I do think is scandalous is the concept of the minimum wage that was introduced back in the early 2000's , when companies were able to redesign jobs, offer the minimum wage, and the employee was then able to claim benefits to raise their income to a certain level. That resulted in the companies being supported by the Government, which allowed them to still make the same or more profits and excess money which was allocated to wages had to be spent or got rid of on salaries or bonuses, to keep the books straight. It's a concept that has now become the norm. At the same time as most jobs changed to part time jobs, to accommodate the 3 million workforce that came in from the EU, it kept the unemployment figures down. The additional money for benefits to make up the shortfall came from the EU . All EU countries now have minimum wage. Taken some out of poverty and landed a whole load more in it. The EU strategy was of the 120 million people living in poverty in the EU to lift 20million out of poverty by 2020...... and they have failed .
We as a country cannot criticize because we are still members of the EU, but to blame Governments for the ongoing federalisation of the EU, is wrong and hopefully we will get out and begin to make our own way . No chance with Corbyn or Jo Swinson . Corbyn can't be trusted one iota , and if people want to stay in the EU the 'toothless wonder' is the better option. But at the end of the day, the MP's are delegated by us for us, the public.... not for their own personal gain . So far, that trust has been abused on a massive scale .
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
The Government cannot dictate to companies by telling them what and how to pay their staff.
There are rules and regulations but they are inadequate. It is morally wrong and the Government have powers to control such things. What is worse, there are laws that help large bonus recipients avoid paying "normal" tax.
Also, consider equating it to inheritance tax:-
if a parent gives a large "bonus" to their children then die within seven years, then inheritance tax kicks in.
If a company gives a large bonus and goes bust within seven years??????
Another example:-
If a person makes a gift to another person, they must be able to "maintain their standard of living" after giving that gift otherwise numerous controls kick in for benefits and tax.
If a company gives a bonus but trades at a loss, they pay less tax????
Originally Posted by granny
What I do think is scandalous is the concept of the minimum wage that was introduced back in the early 2000's , when companies were able to redesign jobs, offer the minimum wage, and the employee was then able to claim benefits to raise their income to a certain level.
Yep, prior to that, the employer didn't have to restructure jobs to pay much less wages and have employees on benefits.
Originally Posted by granny
The additional money for benefits to make up the shortfall came from the EU
The UK has never received one penny of funding from the EU, furthermore there is nothing in our UK payments that reduced them dependent on what benefits we paid. Even furthermore, more workers increased our GDP which increased the payments we made to the EU.
[quote=granny]to accommodate the 3 million workforce that came in from the EU[quote=granny]Which shows that prior to minimum wage, the UK low paid sector had worse pay than the poorest countries in the EU, despite the UK being the 4th richest nation in the world at that time.
Minimum wage dragged millions of people out of abject poverty, yes, that was at a cost to others but that is what a fair and moral society is about. When one person receives a bonus that is more than the increase of twenty million workers added together, that is immoral.
We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
[quote=granny]The Government cannot dictate to companies by telling them what and how to pay their staff.
There are rules and regulations but they are inadequate. It is morally wrong and the Government have powers to control such things. What is worse, there are laws that help large bonus recipients avoid paying "normal" tax.
Also, consider equating it to inheritance tax:-
if a parent gives a large "bonus" to their children then die within seven years, then inheritance tax kicks in.
If a company gives a large bonus and goes bust within seven years??????
Another example:-
If a person makes a gift to another person, they must be able to "maintain their standard of living" after giving that gift otherwise numerous controls kick in for benefits and tax.
If a company gives a bonus but trades at a loss, they pay less tax????
Originally Posted by granny
What I do think is scandalous is the concept of the minimum wage that was introduced back in the early 2000's , when companies were able to redesign jobs, offer the minimum wage, and the employee was then able to claim benefits to raise their income to a certain level.
Yep, prior to that, the employer didn't have to restructure jobs to pay much less wages and have employees on benefits.
Originally Posted by granny
The additional money for benefits to make up the shortfall came from the EU
The UK has never received one penny of funding from the EU, furthermore there is nothing in our UK payments that reduced them dependent on what benefits we paid. Even furthermore, more workers increased our GDP which increased the payments we made to the EU.
Well I understood that the EU contributed the benefits for EU nationals.
Originally Posted by granny
Which shows that prior to minimum wage, the UK low paid sector had worse pay than the poorest countries in the EU, despite the UK being the 4th richest nation in the world at that time.
No we didn't , that's just not true.
Minimum wage dragged millions of people out of abject poverty, yes, that was at a cost to others but that is what a fair and moral society is about. When one person receives a bonus that is more than the increase of twenty million workers added together, that is immoral.
It might be immoral, but explain that to foreign owned banks , companies and institutions and hope they take note .
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As you stated yourself, the low pay EU immigrants only started coming over here in quantity after we introduced minimum wage, the low pay jobs weren't worth coming over for before that. I'm talking about manual Labour not office jobs, most office jobs had Unions. It wasn't unheard of for people to work in exchange for food. There were many British manual labourers going to the EU for work, this escalated after the minimum wage because the previous ultra-low-wage employers were not set up to provide minimum wage.
More than 800,000 people were paid less than the minimum wage just before it was introduced and this didn't include the economic migrants from the UK.
Minimum wage was still a pretty poor wage when it was introduced, it was still propped up by other benefits, especially for families.
Within the EU, benefits are paid by the nation that the people are resident in using the local rules, there is no clawback from the EU or country of origin within the EU. In fact most EU countries don't know where most of their emigrated residents are, if I go to Germany there is no requirement for me to inform the UK that I have done so, yet I can claim German benefits after meeting their criteria.
State Pensions have different arrangements to benefits, they are paid by the nation(s) that you have State Pension credits with (and you meet the eligibility criteria), it is possible to receive multiple state pensions from different nations, this applies outside the EU as well.
All laws are about morality, financial institutions not liking things has no bearing on whether a law should exist, in fact in most cases it would be an endorsement that a law should exist.
We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
As you stated yourself, the low pay EU immigrants only started coming over here in quantity after we introduced minimum wage, the low pay jobs weren't worth coming over for before that. I'm talking about manual Labour not office jobs, most office jobs had Unions. It wasn't unheard of for people to work in exchange for food. There were many British manual labourers going to the EU for work, this escalated after the minimum wage because the previous ultra-low-wage employers were not set up to provide minimum wage.
More than 800,000 people were paid less than the minimum wage just before it was introduced and this didn't include the economic migrants from the UK.
Minimum wage was still a pretty poor wage when it was introduced, it was still propped up by other benefits, especially for families.
Within the EU, benefits are paid by the nation that the people are resident in using the local rules, there is no clawback from the EU or country of origin within the EU. In fact most EU countries don't know where most of their emigrated residents are, if I go to Germany there is no requirement for me to inform the UK that I have done so, yet I can claim German benefits after meeting their criteria.
State Pensions have different arrangements to benefits, they are paid by the nation(s) that you have State Pension credits with (and you meet the eligibility criteria), it is possible to receive multiple state pensions from different nations, this applies outside the EU as well.
All laws are about morality, financial institutions not liking things has no bearing on whether a law should exist, in fact in most cases it would be an endorsement that a law should exist.
I think it's probably true to say that the low paid EU migrants that came over after we introduced the minimum wage was because in 2004 either ten or eleven countries joined the EU, all from the Eastern block on extremely low incomes and had given rise to the prepared ground for them all 3million plus to arrive and take our full time jobs, .. if you remember many jobs went to job share and part time.
Then came the job evaluation being rolled out nationwide, and that either upgraded or down graded positions . Up graded got massive amounts of back pay covering a period of years, down grading in many cases finished off jobs altogether. Then the EVR .... Oh so many took EVR !! , followed by becoming re- employed within the same institution on a different grade.
I don't know where you get all your facts and figures from, DD. It must take you hours to research but you never give the links.
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
I don't know where you get all your facts and figures from, DD. It must take you hours to research but you never give the links.
Sometimes they are calculated using data from different sources. I used to write all the notes down but I ended up with stacks of paper with notes which I hadn't got a clue about, so I just scribble calculations when I need to now. The same bits of paper have loads of part numbers and dimensions scribbled down for one of my other personas and then some of my madcap designs, it gets messy.
The 800,000 was calculated starting from 830,000 that the low pay commission published as to the number on minimum wage after the start in 1999 then I added and subtracted some other figures which I don't recall but part of it was the lower quartile earnings trends from around those years. 800,000 was a realistic minimum, it could be a lot higher (and a slight chance it could be lower) but I ran out of data and patience on the numbers, periodicity, frequency etc of UK economic migrants and as there were loads of rogue employers still around it would be a rough estimate at best.
The 2007 EU expansion countries were not allowed to come here to work other than seasonal jobs and other exceptions until 2014. This was after the UK was conned when we agreed to no restriction on the 2004 expansion countries in the expectation that would be the norm, in practice almost all other EU countries put restrictions on and hence we became the prime target for freedom of movement.
We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
It was Bulgaria and Romania that were new members in 2007. The other 10 that joined in 2004 (as I wrote previously) were nearly all, if not all ,ex communist countries and jobs available here were in the hospitality sector, which covers a wide range of employments. not just seasonal.
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
The UK law clearly stated that the UK would leave the EU on March 29th. Ms May conveniently ignored that fact. The EU law clearly states that the UK (or any other country) can leave AT ANY TIME, without PENALTY at any time. The UK conveniently forgot that. The current labour misfit of a leader protested long and hard that we should leave the corrupt capitalist EU - he changed his tune not long after he didnt want the tories taking the plaudits. The EU legal eagles publically stated that there was nothing to stop the UK leaving right now. WE voted LEAVE, not leave with a deal, but LEAVE. This Parliament has made themselves the laughing stock of the world. The current Government never had any intention of leaving, ever. They have conned the people once too often and the Dec12th election will reflect that. I happen to know that the Brexit party is more than able to run the country with expert ministers in their respective fields; I am going tovote to give them that chance. YOU should too, don't be scared, we will be far far better off.
The UK law clearly stated that the UK would leave the EU on March 29th. Ms May conveniently ignored that fact. The EU law clearly states that the UK (or any other country) can leave AT ANY TIME, without PENALTY at any time. The UK conveniently forgot that. The current labour misfit of a leader protested long and hard that we should leave the corrupt capitalist EU - he changed his tune not long after he didnt want the tories taking the plaudits. The EU legal eagles publically stated that there was nothing to stop the UK leaving right now. WE voted LEAVE, not leave with a deal, but LEAVE. This Parliament has made themselves the laughing stock of the world. The current Government never had any intention of leaving, ever. They have conned the people once too often and the Dec12th election will reflect that. I happen to know that the Brexit party is more than able to run the country with expert ministers in their respective fields; I am going tovote to give them that chance. YOU should too, don't be scared, we will be far far better off.
I think some of your accusations may be a bit misconstrued. Not sure if you watch anything such as PMQ's or the merry goings- on in the House of Commons , it can be very interesting, it can also be infuriating. Mrs May's deal , which should have taken us out by March 29th, was voted against by the majority of the other three parties and some of her own. All these things have to be voted on by MP's. Three times she tried to get it passed, and three times it was failed. Same happened with Boris's Deal, partly voted for, but then again blocked by the MP's vote, which is why we are now having a general election, because nobody can move forward. The UK cannot leave without consent of Parliament . Boris certainly intended to leave, I think the more despicable evidence comes from the voting record over the years of other Leaders of parties and where they have now positioned themselves. Well, as to this point in time we don't even know who our Candidates are in this election. I think the worst thing anyone can do is to start telling people what or whom they should vote for... that is usually more defeatist , but we can make up our own minds by searching for our own information on MP's .
For example !
Jo Swinson (now Lib Dem Leader) in the 2015 Tory Cabinet, BACKED:
Trebling tuition fees Raising VAT Cutting billions in tax for big business Voting against a tax on bankers bonuses Voting to make it easier to privatise the NHS Cutting payments payment for people with illness /disabilty Cutting funding for young job seekers Voting for bedroom tax Voting for the public sector pay cap Starving councils of funding
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
A vote for the Brexit Party will be a wasted vote, there is no hope of your vote getting a Brexit MP into power.
If you are not in the top 1% richest people in the country you would be doing yourself and the other 99% of the electorate a disservice by not voting Labour.
The Conservatives have put the country into a huge debt both national debt and personal debt, just look at the figures. That money has not gone to the 99%, it has been taken away.
There is only one party (Labour) who could defeat the Conservatives, voting for any other party is handing rule back to the Conservatives. How much punishment does the country need before they accept that the Conservatives are nothing but thieves?
We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
my vote is in protest at the childish antics of the Tories, Labour, Libtards and SNP over the past 3 years. Houses of Kindergarten would be more appropriate. and I would never vote labour, commies in all but name. And the fraud going on - well, thats another thread.
Just to revert back to the previous major issue, which is still going on, even if we don't now get any regular news bulletins about it. The latest is
The EU have commenced infringement proceeding against the UK.
All to do with freedom of movement. The EU Commission is complaining that the UK’s restrictions on the rights of EU citizens families being able to live in the UK is unfair and that it has been made difficult for EU citizens to claim jobseekers allowance.
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
What's the betting that Boris agrees to using the same tariffs as the EU, its been mentioned gently a few times as though they are preparing us for it.
Any form of permanent one-sided alignment is leaving us under EU control without any say in the matter.
We need to adjust our tariffs to our needs, that is why countries have different tariffs and part of why the EU fails.
We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
It seems A German fishing chairman has called for UK fish not to be sold in Germany after Brexit unless certain conditions are met.
Good for them, we can eat more of the best fish , and we don't have to buy their cars either.
"We will fight them in the fish markets. We will fight them on the fishing gounds. We will never surrender " !
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
Freedom of Movement....plenty coming in by dinghy..
And plenty more have followed since this post of yours, Fish !
EU not happy.. again!
Michael BArnier seems to think the UK fishing demands are unacceptable. He said The UK is effectively asking for near-total exclusion of EU fishing vessels from UK waters. That is simply unacceptable.â€
A Government report in 2015 found EU vessels caught 683,000 tonnes of fish worth £484million in UK waters.
But UK boats only caught 111,000 tonnes worth £114million revenue in EU member states’ waters.
Needless to say, the French fishermen have said they will ignore any legislation and continue to fish in the UK waters come what may. Should we get our live firing exercises in operation ?
Could it all turn into another Greek /Turkish fiasco, that's going on at the moment ?
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
Michael BArnier seems to think the UK fishing demands are unacceptable. He said The UK is effectively asking for near-total exclusion of EU fishing vessels from UK waters. That is simply unacceptable.â€
A Government report in 2015 found EU vessels caught 683,000 tonnes of fish worth £484million in UK waters.
But UK boats only caught 111,000 tonnes worth £114million revenue in EU member states’ waters.
Needless to say, the French fishermen have said they will ignore any legislation and continue to fish in the UK waters come what may. Should we get our live firing exercises in operation ?
Could it all turn into another Greek /Turkish fiasco, that's going on at the moment ?
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
Looks like the US are getting involved in our politics again regarding the Good Friday Agreement. I wouldn't mind but we haven't even pulled out of it like they pulled out of the Paris Agreement. Stay away and mind your own business.
BIden should keep his nose out. Nasty piece of work and as thick as pig shit. He didn't even know the differnce between Iraq and Iran when he was instrumental in launching the Iraq war.
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
Foreign Aid to be Cut. ( that has to be, considering all things atm)
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
Oh, and so far as the case of banning sausages from being allowed into Britain after Brexit ( i.e.unless we behave and do as we are told) we can make our own suasages ! Our butcher makes his own, I can make sausages, my granny could make sausages, the Tudors made sausages . In fact everyone can make Fine British Sausages even the kids, not forgetting Casper, as I;m sure he's the best. Nothing hard about doing that.
If an agreement is not reached, Irish sausages and German bratwurst could also disappear from the shelves of British supermarkets early next year.
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Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
We have plenty of meat processing factories in the UK - its just scare propaganda. For things we do import from the EU, does anyone actually believe that they are going to stop production and stop exporting to us? The concept is unimaginable, these are companies not the spiteful EU governance.
In any case we need a "Buy British" campaign again with a symbol on products where the manufacturer (including all their subsidiaries) either pay the majority of their tax in the UK, actually produce the item in the UK (not just package) or over 50% of the raw materials originate from the UK where the originator also pays the majority of their tax in the UK.
We've been manipulated into a very bad balance of trade by the EU, in the case of fish the figures are totally incredulous with France having 84% of Channel cod quota with UK only having 9% despite the majority of cod being in "our" waters. How did such in imbalance come about? How come other fish hungry countries like Holland not have more a more balanced quote. These are quotas which are legal limts not just catches.
Full marks to Poland and Hungary for trying to stop the EU from blackmailing them into subservient compliance. As much as I 100% disagree with Poland's stance on abortion, I fully support the right for the Country to make its own policy on it. If Ireland can shift policy under public pressure then I'm sure Poland can as well if there is sufficient public support.
We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
So how much of our territory has Boris given away forever? We'll find out later probably.
There was no need to bottle out, most of the no-deal agreements had already been sorted out.
I would hazard a guess he has sold the fishermen out, hail Boris the king cometh at Christmas time, what a surprise! Proper Christmas cheer, oh no he won't oh yes he will, Happy Christmas everyone.
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
At last some positive news! Well not for everybody I expect but I’m just glad a deal has been done and can we wave goodbye to the word Brexit so weary of it. Lets just get on with it and make it work for us , sure it will in the long run.. You do make me giggle Granny ha...
Nope, bad news, Boris lied, the EU can slap tariffs against us whenever they want and for whatever reason they want. If we do ratify this deal by the 1st of January I wouldn't be surprised if the threat of the first tariffs land on the 2nd January if we don't concede other demands from the EU.
Why on earth didn't he wait until after Jan 1st to negotiate a decent deal. If we had no deal we would have protection from unfair trading from the WTO, instead we are signing a waiver that leaves the UK totally unprotected.
Although the EU are still boasting they are the largest trading block, they aren't. They are on a back foot and need to retain their exports to the UK.
The deal we should have is the same deal as if we had never joined the EU, instead we are agreeing to the EU punishing us at will, forever.
There still would be no problem trading on WTO terms, we make a profit and the EU makes a loss on WTO terms because of the imbalance of trade. If we were on WTO terms the EU would soon agree a fair and honest trade deal to avoid continually punishing themselves financially.
We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
Amazingly there is an escape clause of 12 months notice by either side, also some individual parts of the agreement can also be escaped separately from the overall agreement.
However the devil may be in the detail of the full agreement rather than the 191 section summary.
Although arbitration keeps on being referred to rather than enforcement, there is little detail on the power of the arbitrators ie if arbitration doesn't resolve an issue how can appeal and enforcement take place without going through a court somewhere.
We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
There's a new expression being trotted out by Labour.. 'A Thin Deal' . What on earth is a 'Thin Deal' ?
They're at it again. Won't vote for it, won't vote against it , just so long as they can turn around and say, we didn;t support x y z. If they don;t they should have the courage of their convictions and speak up now. A whole barrow load full of monkeys and devious rats.
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
There's a new expression being trotted out by Labour.. 'A Thin Deal' . What on earth is a 'Thin Deal' ?
Nope, you can't pin that on the Labour Party, its not a new expression.
It means a deal that is not comprehensive and leaves matters to be negotiated in the future.
The earliest usage I have found was 1998 in America but it was also used in the UK in 2001 with reference to devolution.
It is definitely not the best deal we can achieve with the EU, but to get better deals with EU we would have to enter a WTO period which for some unfathomable reason seems to be unacceptable to some people.
The EU have climbed down a small amount because they know they would have to give a lot more ground if we went into a WTO period with the EU because they would lose a lot of money.
We have climbed down a lot, we have given away more than half of our fishing rights, we haven't protected our main export which is the service sector, there is no proper regulatory structure in most of the deal which basically means almost everything is still up in the air for years to come.
We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
Should we give notice of the cancellation the Brexit agreement or should we just sit back and watch while the United States of Germany dismantles itself piece by piece.
We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
So how much of our territory has Boris given away forever? We'll find out later probably.
There was no need to bottle out, most of the no-deal agreements had already been sorted out.
I would hazard a guess he has sold the fishermen out, hail Boris the king cometh at Christmas time, what a surprise! Proper Christmas cheer, oh no he won't oh yes he will, Happy Christmas everyone.
And so it came to pass, Boris the new fishermen's friend.
Tragedy strikes !! . No custard creams for Brits in Belgium.
I can't believe it !
We tend to expect people who live in our country to integrate more, so maybe the Brits in Belgium should eat more waffles ?
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
