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Re: What do you think of this? [Re: dustymclean] #1053548
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Originally Posted by dustymclean
Can you be charged? if the car is electric.


As there doesn't seem to be a legal definition of "stationary idling offence" then it could be anything. Some electric cars can idle though this would be an unusual event.


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Re: What do you think of this? [Re: _Ste_] #1053551
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I live opposite a primary school, the kids come out at 3:30. However in the fight for the lazy carers to not have to walk too far to pick up their little darlings they begin to arrive from around 2:40.

Most of them sit with their engines running and you even get some with radio's blasting away.

Urban air pollution, particularly from diesel cars but it does cover all vehicles is a real issue for health - which is why the most modern vehicles have the auto start/stop function.

So in general it is a good idea - but how to enforce is a challenge.

Communication and education maybe a good option - and getting the school children to tell whoever is picking them up could be option.

Re: What do you think of this? [Re: oldpm01] #1053564
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Originally Posted by oldpm01
Urban air pollution, particularly from diesel cars but it does cover all vehicles is a real issue for health - which is why the most modern vehicles have the auto start/stop function.


No, the stop/start was mostly a propaganda and marketing exercise.

All modern cars are heavily reliant on the catalytic convertor (CAT) to reduce most of the pollutants. The CAT only works when it is up to full temperature which is around 426°C, the CAT is purely powered by the exhaust gases and actually increases the exhaust temperature.

As you can imagine, on switch off, at those sort of temperatures they cool down very fast to a level where they don't work, when you restart the car and drive off again, the CAT isn't working until it heats up again - you are now pumping out untreated exhaust pollution.

With the current regulations for new cars, emissions are absolutely minimal at idle with a warmed up engine and a heated up CAT, the cars are designed for optimal minimum emissions at idle, this process actually reduces the efficiency of the engine so more fuel is used than would be needed.

On a cold day with a cold car driving through a busy town, if stop/start was used there is a fair chance that the CAT would never get up to temperature and you are pumping out untreated exhaust pollution all the way.

Its a complicated subject.


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Re: What do you think of this? [Re: _Ste_] #1053569
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I was going to make a new topic, however this topic has the main subject of pollution so i think this will be okay.

There are new rules for new cars registered after April 2018, i would like you to take a look at this and read it carefully.
More STEALING from the public, this will not affect me as i will never get a new car or one on finance, if i haven't got the money tough, i save for it but this will affect a lot of company's and the general population that like to buy new vehicles.

I would just like to quote the following which i have pulled from this report.....

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At present, no new diesels conform to the standards, so the extra fee will apply to all new diesels sold.


Now they KNOW they will not confirm to standards from new, that confirms to me they are STEALING from people, ie: buy a new vehicle, we know it will not confirm to standards so we will make up this bull tax rule to STEAL more money from you anyway.

Anyroad, heres the link...

Clicky

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Re: What do you think of this? [Re: _Ste_] #1053572
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Its just the media recycling old information.

There are loads of diesel cars that have Euro 6 rating of less than 80mg/km NOx which is a long way below the 120mg/km they mention for the £500 tax band.

Even some 4.2 litre Audi A8 Tdi models are less than 80mg/km

There are 2560 different diesel cars meet the Euro 6 spec according to the Vehicle Certification Agency in their August 2017 list.


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Re: What do you think of this? [Re: oldpm01] #1053583
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Originally Posted by oldpm01


"Road traffic" includes vans, 4WD, buses, mini-buses and lorries as well as older cars. If all road vehicles were at euro 6 car standard there would be hardly any pollution, especially if they don't include start/stop.

Just because there are more cars it doe3sn't mean they produce the most pollution.

Aside from that there are aeroplanes, ships, trains and industry producing a lot of pollution.


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