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venice #1052004 28th Jan 2018 12:15pm
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Best thing to do is look at david noakes on youtube
" end the eu dictatorship " files and look at his eutruth dot org site.
7 years ago smart people like him knew the facts and how eu totally controls us plus many mps/ pms and monarchy helped dismantle the uk.
He didnt think wed have the nerve to leave.
Its clear to see what a mess leaving is, shows how much the eu had us by the throat.

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I see that the Mrs May, having asked for a transition period and been granted it on the understanding that EU rules would apply during it, now proposes to negotiate to modify these rules. It is a bit like someone asking for permission to take a shortcut across your garden, going on to demand that you lay a path for them to do so.

My bet is that the EU will simply say no and stick to it.

I cannot believe the level of unrealistic expectations that seems to pervade this government in its dealings with the EU. This is not the first time they have asked for some totally unrealistic concession and been refused. So far the EU has not shifted a millimetre, and Mrs May has had to agree to everything to get as far as we have.

Time to wise up, I think, and recognise that they do NOT need us more than we need them. Leaving is going to be painful, and that pain is going to go on for a long time - at least as long as it takes to negotiate good trade agreements with them and other countries. Ten years appears to be a not unrealistic estimate of how long that could take. What worries me is that a desperate government could rush into signing a one-sided agreement with - say - Trump that allows them to take over our NHS, and flood us with chlorinated chicken and GM and hormone impregnated food in exchange for the right for us to sell them Christmas cards.

Given the negotiating skill displayed so far, I think this is a not unlikely possibility.

The sooner this idiotic brexit business is abandoned the better.

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If by some means the UK doesnt go ahead with Brexit Ex, how do you visualize us being treated overall by the other countries once we'd shown how weak we were that we 'crawled back like not very bright, naughty kids to do what we were told because we couldnt hack it' ?

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The whole thing goes to show how protectionist the EU is yet they are the ones that moan about other countries being protectionist.

There is absolutely no way the EU should be trying to punish us and they risk their own courts chastising them.

If a UK resident chooses to leave the UK we don't punish them, we don't ask for their future tax and national insurance, where on earth does this unprecedented punishment come from?

That the EU keep trying to say there will be no unique trade deal is also unprecedented, they have loads of unique separate trade agreements with numerous countries around the world.

The consistent "you can't have freedom of trade without freedom of movement" is also a non-rule, look at CETA for a start, look at the Isle of Man etc

We should never have given our veto away, the reason countries originally had veto was to protect them from other countries ganging up against them.

Can't wait for the EU to break up, if we leave (even with punishment), other countries will follow, Poland especially, they can't keep bribing Poland to stay, they won't have the money.


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Maybe there IS no way they should be 'punishing' us , but so what, there's a lot of seemingly bitter and childish behaviour going on .

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There are a lot of people watching the way the EU are behaving, this could well set their future. There is a basic right for a country to be independent, not that we are supposed to be a dependent of the EU anyway.


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