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Re: Every little helps... [Re: cools] #1040430
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Fish, talk about Salmon fishing you will have to get yourself off to Alaska plenty there but you will have to compete with the Bears ha...



Think Cools is trying to get rid of you ! Bears like fish smile

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Originally Posted by lollipop
Lol!!!! The only one you might see on the tele.

Lots of lodges will do local little tin whistle mini parades, a few bomb fires from the opposition. All good fun the 12th. I know all you get is what Peace and harmony were living in here. Well its on the boil again I can tell you. Bloody brexit !!


Many years back the Lodge came marching up our road in Claughton with a mini band and a few youngsters..all seemed a little old fashioned and out of place.
Mistakenly went on a coach trip to Walsingham (High Anglican Shrine to Mary) with what turned out to be a load of red hand of ulster men and lads in the guise of a Protestant church. Spent all day distancing myself from them as all they seemed interested in was winding up the Anglican clergy and priests with provactive chants and songs. Its an interesting ceremony at Walsingham where a black faced effigy of Mary is paraded through the village..talk about steeped in superstition. Local shop sells relics (left femur of Jesus etc...lol)

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amost all other countries have long since ditched the monarchy and are doing rather better than we are as a result.



Evidence, please.


The whole of Europe.

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Those confused about how much the queen costs us may like to look at

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-40425569/reality-check-what-does-the-queen-cost-us

The Crown Estate is a joke. It is claimed to be owned by the Queen, but she can't sell it, and the only money she receives from it is by courtesy of parliament. Ownership like that is nothing but a fiction. It is owned by the state. The pretence is that the queen 'gives' the state the bulk of the income. In fact its already theirs. The Queen and all the hangers on an flunkeys, equerries, and 'ladies in waiting' are paid for by us and it costs us more and more every year.

There is little evidence that any tourists are attracted by the Queen - at least those who claim it never support their claims with any. She is costing us more and more every year.

As to restoring Buck House, it is one of the most ill-proportioned ugly buildings in London. I'd suggest demolishing it and building a new palace more appropriate to a much diminished role of the Monarchy.

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There are much finer attractions, buildings and royal remnants in countries with better weather than the UK, the difference is the monarchy still exists here.

There are numerous statistics on tourism from a wide range of sources(the industry is heavily based on statistics), you can choose to take guidance from them or ignore them. Most of the statistics have no advantage in any bias, the monarchy bashing ones are the only ones that down-rate the value of royal tourism, the pro-royal ones enhance the value but the independent ones show a good profit.

Just the souvenirs sold and other merchandise add considerably to our economy as well as providing valuable employment. There is much more than people just gawping outside Buckingham Palace, British fashion houses also get a huge boost.

The USA traditionally don't holiday abroad but it has become a rapidly increasing industry and the Americans are obsessed with the Royal Family.


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Originally Posted by Excoriator
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amost all other countries have long since ditched the monarchy and are doing rather better than we are as a result.



Evidence, please.


The whole of Europe.


What a ridiculous answer! I think we can safely assume therefore that you have no evidence to support your assertion.

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Perhaps to stop all the disagreements between royalists and anti royalists we could farm the Queen off to the National Trust as they are good at looking after old things ! Auction the corgis on ebay (has she any left?)
Visited Windsor castle few years back and huge queues to get it so tourist wise doing very well, keeps loads in employment and helps look after the historic buildings of our nation. Cant really see how we would be any better off without them

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While I'm not a supporter of the Monarchy per se, I can understand why some people might see it as a reassuring connection to an England of yesteryear, of the days when gun and knife crime was a rarity, when seeing a non white face was a novelty, when people who kicked a football weren't paid a thousand times more than a heart surgeon and women didn't become millionaires by revealing their bosom on some tacky reality TV show. Some might accuse me of looking backwards through Rose tinted glasses, but I genuinely believe the England I grew up in was a better place than it is today, when we didn't have to worry about being blown up, stabbed, run over or otherwise assaulted by bloodthirsty Muslims who shouldn't be here in the first place.I'm sorry if I sound like a crazy reactionary racist because I'm not, I just think this open door immigration policy has gone too far in welcoming people who either seem to want to murder us, sponge off our welfare system, take advantage of the NHS or molest our vulnerable young girls, all with apparent impunity.

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Originally Posted by Dilly
Originally Posted by cools
Fish, talk about Salmon fishing you will have to get yourself off to Alaska plenty there but you will have to compete with the Bears ha...



Think Cools is trying to get rid of you ! Bears like fish smile


Don't like bears maybe cougars wink

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Originally Posted by lollipop
Youuuu whoooo fish!! You rang


Easy tiger !

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Evidence, please.


The whole of Europe.


What a ridiculous answer! I think we can safely assume therefore that you have no evidence to support your assertion.


You can assume the moon is made of green cheese if you like. The fact remains that not a single European nation supports a Monarchy or allows them as much interference in the state as us.

And they are for the most part doing rather better than us. Brexit will of course see the gap in our relative living standards, social support, employment protection grow even more.

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Originally Posted by Excoriator
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The whole of Europe.


What a ridiculous answer! I think we can safely assume therefore that you have no evidence to support your assertion.


You can assume the moon is made of green cheese if you like. The fact remains that not a single European nation supports a Monarchy or allows them as much interference in the state as us.

And they are for the most part doing rather better than us. Brexit will of course see the gap in our relative living standards, social support, employment protection grow even more.


Still you have failed to provide any evidence for your assertion that these European countries are doing rather better than us as a result of them ditching their monarchies.

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Originally Posted by Salmon
[quote=Excoriator]The queen's contribution to tourism is exaggerated to a ridiculous extent.

This link would tend to contradict that statement.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/373081/uk-royal-tourism-admission-numbers-by-establishment/


It might, were I to be keen enough to pay them $49 dollars for the information. I'm not, so...

I know what it costs anyway. More than I want to pay. I would much prefer it to go to fire officers or building inspectors, who might have prevented the Grenfell Tower tragedy.

I can easily live without Buckingham Palace. If it makes a profit from tourists, let them pay for it.

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Still you have failed to provide any evidence for your assertion that these European countries are doing rather better than us as a result of them ditching their monarchies.

Not at all. Look at their growth rates and compare them with ours. Do your own homework. I'm not going to spoon feed you with information.

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