WikiWirral Wirral's Biggest Online Forum
Forum Statistics
Forums65
Topics76,508
Posts1,034,169
Members14,899
Most Online80,173
Apr 25th, 2025
Who's Online Now
7 members (3 invisible), 7,926 guests, and 527 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Top Posters
sunnyside 45,164
MattLFC 22,315
Mark 21,269
granny 17,811
_Ste_ 16,347
Newest Members
mickdow, Poston, gabbidy, lincox, PFMPlusUK
14,899 Registered Users
New General Forums
Magnet fishing
by Dilly - 2nd Oct 2017 11:43am
New Wirral History
what was this building in Claughton Road
by derekdwc - 1st Sep 2025 12:10pm
Devonshire Park School
by Elizabeth - 21st Nov 2011 3:14am
Top Posters(30 Days)
bert1 12
snixx 1
Topic Replies
Tree surgeon recommendations
by CarterUSM - 4th Sep 2025 1:24pm
Magnet fishing
by diggingdeeper - 3rd Sep 2025 1:32am
what was this building in Claughton Road
by diggingdeeper - 2nd Sep 2025 6:46am
What are they doing at four bridges?
by Excoriator - 29th Aug 2025 3:32pm
Purple Aki found dead
by Softy_Southerner - 27th Aug 2025 10:21pm
Are there any grants available for a new boiler?
by Longnails - 25th Aug 2025 9:34pm
Power steering line repair or fabrication
by diggingdeeper - 25th Aug 2025 4:50am
Allotments Sell-Off
by diggingdeeper - 25th Aug 2025 4:09am
A quiet drink.
by Excoriator - 16th Aug 2025 11:21am
September
M T W T F S S
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
8 9 10 11 12 13 14
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
29 30
Top Likes Received (30 Days)
None yet
Top Likes Received
bert1 29
casper 4
Mark 4
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 2 of 4 1 2 3 4
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 3,056
Likes: 2
Forum Master
Offline
Forum Master
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 3,056
Likes: 2
It's great that you're always ready to help out with people's query's Bert. Well done...

Google Ads
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 8,808
Likes: 29
Wiki Veteran
Offline
Wiki Veteran
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 8,808
Likes: 29
Originally Posted by cools
It's great that you're always ready to help out with people's query's Bert. Well done...


Thanks Cools,

The area of ground (grave) in Granny's link looks very much like the area at Landican Cemetery, where they moved the graves from St Mary's cemetery, Birkenhead, when Cammell Laird built the dock in the 50s.
http://stmarysbirkenhead.blogspot.co.uk/

Last edited by bert1; 31st May 2017 12:53pm.

God help us,
Come yourself,
Don't send Jesus,
This is no place for children.


Bertieone.
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 3,056
Likes: 2
Forum Master
Offline
Forum Master
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 3,056
Likes: 2
Just spotted your post Granny , very interesting .

Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 17,811
Likes: 3
Wiki Master
Offline
Wiki Master
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 17,811
Likes: 3

Cools, and anyone else, that was only part of it. I don't know quite how I didn't see all of it. Many pages to click forward at the bottom.

There is a photo of little Nellie.


http://birkenheadtimes.awardspace.com/nelly_1.htm

One more thing, I went to Landican today and found the graves that were interred from St. Mary's but nothing was seen to denote anything to do with Nellie. It's placed behind the Crematorium and is cut in paths but quite a bit of long grass and a bit unkempt surrounding many of the scattered head stones. Quite a task to be searching on impulse as many of them are also weathered.


Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect.
~Chief Seattle
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 3,056
Likes: 2
Forum Master
Offline
Forum Master
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 3,056
Likes: 2
So so sad this. Poor little Nellie if only someone had got to their front door earlier but I guess you can say that about any murder. It's fascinating to read all this in so much detail , I'm sure Bute will be really grateful to you Granny. The pictures as well give a real insight into it. So someone definitely got away with murder, I've always heard the rumour it was a policeman who emigrated, who knows? Thanks for that Granny.

Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 417
Smartchild
Offline
Smartchild
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 417
There's a list of the Inscriptions from the gravestones of St Mary's, which is in the Reference library in Borough Rd.,

Joined: May 2017
Posts: 15
Newbeee
OP Offline
Newbeee
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 15
Thanks granny that's really useful I will make appointment visit there when I get down later in the year & it is such a shame the grave is unmarked I will try to find out where it is, just wish i could afford a headstone as it's awful to die that way & not even a marked place of rest. frown

Joined: May 2017
Posts: 15
Newbeee
OP Offline
Newbeee
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 15
Sorry no idea of religion bert1 one marriage was church of Scotland which would be protestant but marriage to Peter Carr was done as a civil ceremony. confused

Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 17,811
Likes: 3
Wiki Master
Offline
Wiki Master
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 17,811
Likes: 3


Well, BUTEMAC hopefully you will turn up what you are searching for, but obviously someone had been thinking about her, so maybe not altogether on her own.......this was 2010.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...rke-11-Rock-Ferry-Birkenhead-10-Jan-1925

An appeal has been made to relatives of a girl murdered 83 years ago - two weeks after flowers were placed where her body was found.


Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect.
~Chief Seattle
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 8,808
Likes: 29
Wiki Veteran
Offline
Wiki Veteran
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 8,808
Likes: 29
Originally Posted by BUTEMACS
Sorry no idea of religion bert1 one marriage was church of Scotland which would be protestant but marriage to Peter Carr was done as a civil ceremony. confused


Thanks Bute,

I can't remember where I read it, it mentioned the finding of Nellie's Rosary.

Birkenhead Library have St Mary's burials on film, I'll check if she and other family members are buried there.


God help us,
Come yourself,
Don't send Jesus,
This is no place for children.


Bertieone.
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 17,811
Likes: 3
Wiki Master
Offline
Wiki Master
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 17,811
Likes: 3
Originally Posted by bert1
Originally Posted by BUTEMACS
Sorry no idea of religion bert1 one marriage was church of Scotland which would be protestant but marriage to Peter Carr was done as a civil ceremony. confused


Thanks Bute,

I can't remember where I read it, it mentioned the finding of Nellie's Rosary.

Birkenhead Library have St Mary's burials on film, I'll check if she and other family members are buried there.


Hi Bert. Here is the account from the link I posted above.

" On the following Tuesday a Liverpool Solicitor (Robert Quilliam) allowed the police to use his hound dog (Everset Boy) to track down any scent leading away from the scene of the crime. It led officers out of the alleyway up Spenser Avenue to the waste ground opposite 88 Spenser, making a bee-line north-westwards towards some allotments and found a Child's Black Bead Rosary. The hound then dashed towards Rock Lane West crossing the road and made it's way to a Tool Shed in a field behind Highfield Congregational Church, which it inspected twice. The police did not think the Beads or a child's pair of socks found later on the same piece of ground had any connection with the murder. "

Last edited by granny; 2nd Jun 2017 9:54am.

Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect.
~Chief Seattle
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 8,808
Likes: 29
Wiki Veteran
Offline
Wiki Veteran
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 8,808
Likes: 29
Thanks Granny,

None of the family were at St Mary's, according to the film available at the Library.

I've already checked Flaybrick, all religions and non consecrated ground, not there.

Only other thought,
St Andrews Scottish Presbyterian Church/Graveyard, Conway St, Birkenhead.

Any other thoughts?


God help us,
Come yourself,
Don't send Jesus,
This is no place for children.


Bertieone.
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 8,808
Likes: 29
Wiki Veteran
Offline
Wiki Veteran
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 8,808
Likes: 29
Found her,

Bebington,
Jan 15 Nellie Bell Wood Clark, 16 Byrne Ave, Rock Ferry, Grave 3rd class

Attached Images
nellie.PNG (76.53 KB, 118 downloads)
Last edited by bert1; 2nd Jun 2017 10:50am.

God help us,
Come yourself,
Don't send Jesus,
This is no place for children.


Bertieone.
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 8,808
Likes: 29
Wiki Veteran
Offline
Wiki Veteran
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 8,808
Likes: 29
All at Bebington Cemetery,
All, 16 Byrne Ave, Rock Ferry

Elizabeth Bell Carr, July 22, 1921, Public Grave
Annie Sinclair Carr, Oct21, 1922, Public Grave
Sarah Wood Carr, Clark (Line through Clark) Oct 10, 1931, Private Grave, Section H, grave 610
Peter Sinclair Carr, April 30, 1932, in the same grave as Sarah, also Nellie


God help us,
Come yourself,
Don't send Jesus,
This is no place for children.


Bertieone.
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 8,808
Likes: 29
Wiki Veteran
Offline
Wiki Veteran
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 8,808
Likes: 29
Bute,

This is very likely to be James Stevenson Carr, Born 1923 and his sister Violet,

Dover Express, 15 Nov 1946 & Nov 2 1945

Attached Images
jscarr.PNG (556.47 KB, 104 downloads)
jscarr2.PNG (428.11 KB, 95 downloads)
jscarr raf.PNG (88.46 KB, 95 downloads)

God help us,
Come yourself,
Don't send Jesus,
This is no place for children.


Bertieone.
Page 2 of 4 1 2 3 4

Moderated by  Mod 

Link Copied to Clipboard
Random Wirral Images

Click to View Topic.
Newest Topics
Tree surgeon recommendations
by CarterUSM - 4th Sep 2025 1:24pm
what was this building in Claughton Road
by derekdwc - 1st Sep 2025 12:10pm
Purple Aki found dead
by Softy_Southerner - 27th Aug 2025 10:21pm
Are there any grants available for a new boiler?
by Longnails - 25th Aug 2025 9:34pm
Power steering line repair or fabrication
by phillhere - 18th Aug 2025 12:25pm
For Sale & Free
Member Spotlight
phillhere
phillhere
Greasby
Posts: 60
Joined: October 2008
Today's Birthdays
There are no members with birthdays on this day.
New Wirral Info
Are there any grants available for a new boiler?
by Longnails - 25th Aug 2025 9:34pm
A quiet drink.
by Excoriator - 16th Aug 2025 11:21am
Sheridans Pub Wallasey Village (burning things)
by snixx - 12th Aug 2025 5:52pm
What are they doing at four bridges?
by Excoriator - 25th Jul 2025 12:23pm
News : New Topics
Purple Aki found dead
by Softy_Southerner - 27th Aug 2025 10:21pm
Allotments Sell-Off
by diggingdeeper - 5th Aug 2025 8:27am
New Enthusiast Forums
Tree surgeon recommendations
by CarterUSM - 4th Sep 2025 1:24pm
Power steering line repair or fabrication
by phillhere - 18th Aug 2025 12:25pm
Popular Topics(Views)
10,573,631 CW Chat room thread
5,775,253 WIKI WALK CHAT
4,561,337 Spotted!
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5