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Re: Manchester Arena Explosion. [Re: granny] #1037786
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We all react differently Ed . Ive no problem with anyones comments on the subject . Some of us are consumed with compassion and only want to think about the suffering of those involved , others like me feel the compassion but on here, side line it and explore more their anger by remembering causes and what might be done . In one way you could argue that DD's comment, which I happen to agree with, just offers a view to those who may want to be considering it, as to why such attacks might be happening. It doesnt mean in ANY way we condone such attacks AT ALL .Understanding and condoning are in no way the same.


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Re: Manchester Arena Explosion. [Re: granny] #1037787
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Re: Manchester Arena Explosion. [Re: granny] #1037796
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Bang on Dilly. Accepting that your Govt (amongst others)whether with the best intentions or not, has participated in actions that have caused huge bitterness in another country , doesnt mean you automatically have a carte blanche 'love' as you put it Ed ,for the whole culture of that country . You dont even have to like the people or their culture to understand/accept that some groups in their country do have some grounds to disike our interference. Thats just thinking fairly. None of that is 'making excuses' for the dreadful terrorism that is taking place though , because thats just a small number of warped extremists , and for them, there are no excuses. Just for the record, I dont believe in Multiculturalism , in my book, you want to come and live here, worship who you want , but you accept our way of life and integrate, or you push off.

Re: Manchester Arena Explosion. [Re: granny] #1037798
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Heard Adrian Chiles on radio this morning talking to a young girl and mum who had been at the concert and asking where they were etc etc when the bomb went off . He then asked the little girl in his usual drole if the concert was any good...doh. He was either trying to be clever and divert the little girls mind away from the atrocity or just insensitive.

p.s. I never heard of her either..just did a bit of research.

Re: Manchester Arena Explosion. [Re: granny] #1037799
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I don't know how tags work but
What gets someone onto a suspect terrorist watch list.
If there is a shred of evidence why not "tag" them with a device that sets of some sort of alarm as they near a certain distance of a packed venue or other.Ban haversacks or have a "cloakroom" of sorts where they could be examined by a scanner prior to releasing one as they do at airports.
At these concerts you're not allowed to take bottles in (might affect any profits off selling their own stuff inside).
minimum wage security?

I think they will seriously have to upgrade security at these things in future.


Re: Manchester Arena Explosion. [Re: derekdwc] #1037803
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I only heard about this when I got up this morning,it's upset me more especially as I have kids that age & the older 3 have been to concerts in Manchester in their teens.my 18 year old is off to a concert on Saturday at old Trafford cricket ground,he's still going as last nights events havn't put him off & the concert is still going ahead,my eldest daughter was at the Take That concert in the Echo arena last night but she's got a 13 year old daughter who will be wanting to go to concerts.You worry about them going to these events but you never think something like what happened last night will happen.


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Re: Manchester Arena Explosion. [Re: granny] #1037804
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The bombs weren't in the concert hall, they were in areas before the search area.

The bombs were triggered at the end so that maximum people would be in the area of the bombs.

People are tagged basically by their known locations, known associates, patterns of travel, purchases and patterns of expenditure/income.

This is gleaned from phone usage, banks, foreign travel, number plate tracking and facial recognition.


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Re: Manchester Arena Explosion. [Re: granny] #1037826
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Well, we've had the usual condolences from Nation on Nation world wide, but the only one that actually meant anything was Australia's PM. His message was sincere and heart felt, the rest, once again puppets on repeat programme. Shoulder to shoulder, must stand together, must work together, and tomorrow not one of them will do another thing of any value to stop it.


Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect.
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Re: Manchester Arena Explosion. [Re: granny] #1037827
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Terror threat been upped to critical.. Armed police on the streets , Liverpool as well..I feel so down about it all. Can't see a solution these people won't talk, they just want their sick ideals and way of life to be carried out. I just want to take me and mine and find somewhere peaceful, unrealistic I know, just have to carry on in this wonderful way of life that seems now we have to accept, horrible and very worrying. What a beautiful day weather wise but what an awful day as well.

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one radio presenter got it right when he passionately described the terrorist as "a piece of human excrement"

Ironically Ariana named one of her dogs Fawkes.

Re: Manchester Arena Explosion. [Re: cools] #1037830
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Originally Posted by cools
Terror threat been upped to critical.. Armed police on the streets , Liverpool as well..I feel so down about it all. Can't see a solution these people won't talk, they just want their sick ideals and way of life to be carried out. I just want to take me and mine and find somewhere peaceful, unrealistic I know, just have to carry on in this wonderful way of life that seems now we have to accept, horrible and very worrying. What a beautiful day weather wise but what an awful day as well.
Worth noting that last time the threat level was "imminent" - after Glasgow airport in 2007 - there was no follow up attack


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Re: Manchester Arena Explosion. [Re: granny] #1037832
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Mainstream news will not report this:

http://www.mcb.org.uk/manchester-attack-muslim-council-of-britain-statement/

On a local level: a friend status' on Facebook

I have several Muslim regulars at the shop. My favourite is a young woman whose pregnancy I followed since we opened. She brought her baby in a couple of weeks ago to say hello. She's tiny & beautiful & very timid & today she seemed particularly so. I asked how she was & she was shaking & said 'scared'. She'd been shouted at in the street on her way. And do you know what, she kept saying 'I know they're scared of us, I understand'. And I said no, no, don't feel bad for these people, and I kept saying sorry & tried not to let her see I was nearly crying. I walked her to her car, she was terrified. And this, and worse, will have been repeated across the country, the world, today. While others mourn their lost children, this hate helps no one. I feel profoundly depressed on every level.


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Re: Manchester Arena Explosion. [Re: Dilly] #1037833
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Originally Posted by Dilly
22 now known to have lost their lives, a lot of who will be children. Just what can be done to stop this sickening terrorism?. So easy for politicians to say we must go on with our lives as usual but they themselves are well protected. If this was an attack by an Isis inspired terrorist,then the Muslim community in Britain must do more to root these people out ! . Rip all who have lost their lives and thoughts to all the injured and to the families of all affected by such an horrific act.


Easy, ban religion.
That is the cause of all evil.
Nonces
Terrorism
Money laundering, i could go on but i`m tired and must go to bed now.
Have 5 tonnes of rubble to shift by hand tomorrow, don`t have time to discuss the mental peoples beliefs of thier so called `gods`, sickens me how a normal person who has a few problems in their lives can end up in a mental institution yet we have these mental cases running around going on about their fake made up story `gods`.
Yawn.
Toodlepip hi

Re: Manchester Arena Explosion. [Re: granny] #1037839
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That horror known to intelligence and known to have Islamic links!! As I say he should have been pulled and put somewhere, I don't care about his human rights and whatever, in some other countries he would have been killed straight away for less than that. First sniff in my opinion should lead to incarceration. We've got to get tougher on these beasts, it's not racialism it's just trying to protect ourselves.

Re: Manchester Arena Explosion. [Re: granny] #1037844
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To Rude I will say of course people are angry. This attack aimed deliberately at our children was an act that has taken terrorism to a new low. From what I understand from what you say this young women was out shopping the very next morning, did she not think that emotions were going to be at the highest level? . Yes she may be a good person but children had just been murdered in the name of her religion. A religion that is so wrong on many other levels apart from the terrorism. I personally have seen no evidence of the Muslim community wanting to integrate.I have seen streets in Birkenhead that are now completely occupied by the Muslim community, is this a sign of integration? A young girl of 8 was killed at that concert so of course people are angry and I would like to think even you can understand that anger.

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