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#1037622 - 20th May 2017 11:54pm Corbyn Rally
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I went to the West Kirby Rally today, and got there about an hour and a quarter before the great man arrived. The crowd was already huge and swelling. For curiosity I counted arrivals coming from the promenade over a one minute period and got a figure of about ten a second.

Joining the crowd I kept an eye on the flow of people and it stayed at about the same or more for at least an hour. That means 36,000 people.

Imagine my surprise to find the figure of 2,000 bandied about by the likes of the Wirral Globe. I have no experience of estimating the size of crowds, but stand by my estimate based on the rate of arrival. If anything my estimate would be low; I had no view of people coming from Dee Lane.

It is an indication of the bias that exists in the media that such a low figure should be published. But never mind. The polls are swinging Labour's way. The Tory lead is now about 9% and falling fast. I don't think Treeza's going to get quite the coronation she was hoping for. Even the Mail on Sunday is showing a 12 point lead, down from its previous figure of 18%

Personally, seeing what she's promising in her manifesto, I wonder how much worse she will be in power, and would be very glad to see her lose.


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#1037623 - 21st May 2017 12:35am Re: Corbyn Rally [Re: Excoriator]
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Corbyn is just 2% down from the percentage the tories won with in 2015 looking at the popular vote. Latest poll has Labour 35% Tories 44%

Unfortunately the popular vote doesn't translate very well with seats.

I believe West Kirby was Corbyn's 50th rally since the election was announced.

Its starting to look like there is a chance of a hung parliament, would Labour risk a Lib-Lab alliance again? I'd hope the Liberals wouldn't risk a Lib-Con alliance after getting walked over last time but I'm sure they would fall for it again.

Liberals have done themselves no favours in recent years but they could hold the balance of power.
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#1037624 - 21st May 2017 12:50am Re: Corbyn Rally [Re: Excoriator]
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#1037626 - 21st May 2017 9:05am Re: Corbyn Rally [Re: RUDEBOX]
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Did you have your picture taken, with your banner Rude ?
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#1037628 - 21st May 2017 9:46am Re: Corbyn Rally [Re: Excoriator]
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Labour would build 1 million new homes ,half of those 500,000 of those would be for social housing !

Blair and Brown built 7,780 council houses.(562 per year average) 0.3%


Jeremy's promises and probably on green belt too. It all seems very ambitious. Been done before though !



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#1037630 - 21st May 2017 10:45am Re: Corbyn Rally [Re: Excoriator]
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I've always thought that with this housing shortage why don't they build prefabricated houses as they did just after the war.
Surely with todays technology they could build cheaper,better, and quicker homes than traditional bricks and mortar.
You could train men to erect them and possibly construct the sections in shipyards. (Why not also have a small room for an exercise bike that could generate a small amount of electricity for storage and use, thus also making some a bit more healthier)
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#1037632 - 21st May 2017 11:44am Re: Corbyn Rally [Re: Excoriator]
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If the Conservatives win, we are indeed in for a hard time, TM will take it that her manifesto has been accepted, and that they now have carte blanche to implement more extreme measures, they will no doubt be looking at what legislation can be changed to give them more power to fleece us all.

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#1037633 - 21st May 2017 11:49am Re: Corbyn Rally [Re: Excoriator]
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There isn't really a housing shortage, it's just that they keep boarding houses up and knocking them down instead of refurbish them. This buts loads of money in the developers pockets instead of the people's pockets. They also need to spend money on policing and security in some areas to bring houses back into use.

This destroy and build policy isn't good for the country.
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#1037636 - 21st May 2017 2:23pm Re: Corbyn Rally [Re: Excoriator]
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I suspect that brexit will mean a lot of wealthy folk leaving London. That has already started and the effect on property prices there is that they are now falling. Once this happens the 'investors' who bought these apartments etc as a way of storing money will withdraw too, and the prices will fall ever faster.

The effect will spread across the country, and an awful lot of conservative home owners will see the value of their property plunge.

This is a good thing for the young, and indeed a good thing for the country but I can't see those who enjoy talking about how the value of their house has shot up with their friends will lightly forgive the tories.

I am beginning to wonder if the tories want to lose this election. Having realised that Brexit is a car-crash, they don't want to be behind the wheel!

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#1037637 - 21st May 2017 2:36pm Re: Corbyn Rally [Re: Excoriator]
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Corbyn went on to the Wirral Live show in Prenton Park where, from eye witness accounts, he was greeted like a Rock Star by a massive crowd - many tens of thousands if not more. This WAS reported by the media but in a way that minimised the support he received. I think the narrative is that 'He is not a leader' and that is what they are sticking to.

It's quite funny to hear this criticism from the old middle right PLP people who oppose Corbyn. Any one of them would be delighted to see a crowd of 50 or so! Yet this man can attract many thousands of people to hear him speak for 20 minutes, on a rather dull day on a promenade with no difficulty whatsoever. He has turned the Labour party into the biggest political party in Europe (and still growing) and kept a divided party together and managed a highly popular manifesto which - for a change - actually has policies that ordinary folk want to see happening as well as for once unashamedly supports what the party stands for.

I'd say he has done pretty well as a leader.

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#1037639 - 21st May 2017 4:24pm Re: Corbyn Rally [Re: Excoriator]
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Hallelujah, saviour of our world in our midst, look for the bearded scruff and you shall find...now where's my sick bag.

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#1037641 - 21st May 2017 4:37pm Re: Corbyn Rally [Re: Excoriator]
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Ex. you might only be referring to this area. I would suggest from accounts in general, people across the country have no faith in the man or his policies at all. That's going by other social media groups, and anti Corbyn feelings running very high.

I do think the gap is narrowing at the moment, but what difference does any of it make ? People vote, and half the people will be happy, the other half won't. Who at the end of the day gives a monkeys ? Unless of course we have a re-run General Election, as it seems to be the suggested 'thing' now. Have a double 'go' on everything ! Someone will soon say the elections are fixed and all the rest of the propaganda that goes on .

I've listened to recordings of yesterday, and although uttering the words many want to hear, it was just uttering words that sounded weak with no clout. Very good as an activist, but not as a politician !




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#1037642 - 21st May 2017 4:41pm Re: Corbyn Rally [Re: cools]
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Wow cools, bearded scruff, if we go by the old adage that clothes maketh man, then we would indeed be disappointed, look at the succession of allegedly well dressed men that have appeared before the courts, oh and what about that Icon of fashion as praised by Vogue magazine Terry May, 1000 handbags and still manages to look like an old spinster that the cat has slept on. wink

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#1037643 - 21st May 2017 4:52pm Re: Corbyn Rally [Re: Excoriator]
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Casper, you would think he would make a little more effort, it's not like he can't afford it , at least 130,000 a year so I heard. It's also the promises he's making which obviously everybody would like but it just won't be achievable. It's like you all truly believe he can perform miracles. There's alot I don't like about the Tory manifesto by the way, but I've got to hope things will get better, no pain no gain!

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#1037645 - 21st May 2017 5:15pm Re: Corbyn Rally [Re: cools]
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We have had pain cools, and are being promised a lot more to come, how is it that those least able to pay are repeatedly being targeted by this government? austerity is a farce an ideal forced on us by those that are well able to afford it, for all the austerity measures they have put in place to what end? they have still borrowed more money than all the last Labour governments put together, the sixth richest country in the world, and we have food banks, poverty and people sleeping in the streets, wow what a wonderful job they are doing, it cant get much worse , can it?

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